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They guy that you guys should be bitching about not getting when he was available a few years back is Dombrowski.

"They guy that you guys should be bitching about not getting when he was available a few years back is Dombrowski."

a-fcking-men. the guy is an absolute stud.

he left the interview to get cigarettes.

KB, do you really care if your prospective needed a cigarette during an interview or not. I want the best candidate, period.

Would I prefer him not to leave an interview to grab a smoke? Absolutely. Would I hire a known inferior candidate because of it? Nope.

Which is why I didn't think they should have hired Manuel. Try to keep up.

So obviously these new guys coming in are pressure for Manuel if he doesn't have the ship going smoothly come June. I wouldn't have gone that far - personally, I would let Thome's caddy go and figure out something else.

Remind me what were the changes Leyland wanted in personnel, besides sending Pat Burrell or Anchorage in a Mr. Softee truck.

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And the Pat Burrell thing wasn't a problem, b/c they've been trying to trade him ever since.

Then he really should learn to interview better. There was something going on, b/c nobody wanted him that year

Come on, man. I don't know the entire story of the interview (this is the first I heard he actually left in the middle of the interview to get smokes), but Leland doesn't have to learn how to do anything. The phillies lost out here, not Leyland.

He's had more success in his career than anyone tied to the Phillies organization, so them telling him how he needs to behave and act is a little silly.

Leyland himself said he knew there were bad rumblings about himself that year. That's why he dropped many of his demands this year.

I wish the Phils had a better manager, but even Leyland knows he wasn't ready before.

"He's had more success in his career than anyone tied to the Phillies organization, so them telling him how he needs to behave and act is a little silly."

And this is beyond silly. Nobody can go into an interview like that and expect to get hired. They weren't telling him what to do, they expected him to show he wanted the job. He didn't look like he wanted it when he acted like that

And this is beyond silly. Nobody can go into an interview like that and expect to get hired. They weren't telling him what to do, they expected him to show he wanted the job. He didn't look like he wanted it when he acted like that

Like I said, I don't know the whole story...is there a link to the story?

At the time, I heard he wasn't hired because he said the team sucked and needed a complete overhaul.

It's a combination of what I read in an article last week, and what I heard from someone who knows.

This isn't the article I was talking about, but has some of the same points.

"He took things for granted, he said, spoiled by his veteran-laden squad in Florida. In Colorado, he let guys be late. He didn't connect. At the end of a 90-loss season, he quit. Everything had caught up with him. All those years. All that real life put on hold for a game."

"Finally, he wanted back in. He tried to get the Phillies job but was denied. That surprised him. He'd done a lot of damage to his reputation."

All that does is affirm my believe that the Phillies are morons when it comes to decision making.

Terrific

That article didn't have any information on why he didn't get the job, is what I'm saying.

If he walked out of the interview to go buy a pack of smokes and came back later, that's a little weird. That's something that would scream "does this guy have any interest in this job?". I've just never heard anything like that until today.

Here were some of the quotes after Leyland had interviewed but before they had made any decisions one way or the other:

- "I don't know that I can convince anybody. I want to address this issue while I'm here, and I want to make this perfectly clear. I did a lousy job in Colorado. I was never treated better. They did everything to make it convenient for you, and it just wasn't there. I was burned out"

- "I'll [play golf] with the coaches at 8 a.m., rest a little bit, then get to the park and go to work. I'm not going to sit in my room scared to death and worried every moment that we might not win, or be upset because we lost three in a row. If [the atmosphere] is like that, then I'll only be here a year."

- "[It's about] trying to create an atmosphere that's comfortable," he said. "I'm not as big on chemistry as a lot of other managers. If it works, it's wonderful. I've managed teams that ate together, played together, prayed together, and we got the [crap] kicked out of us, and I managed some that punched each other once in a while and we won. It's getting the best out of talent. They're not all going to like me. Hopefully, they will, but I doubt it. There's nothing wrong with that, as long as you're working toward the same goal -- win."

- Commentary plus quote: That's not saying it will be so simple in Philadelphia. During the interview with Wade and his lieutenants, Leyland pointed out that the team's biggest hole is in its bats. The team swings and misses too much, Leyland said, and they make a lot of bad outs. Judging from his talks with current bench coach Gary Varsho and former manager Larry Bowa, Leyland deduced that the Phillies might be comprised of too many nice guys.

"I was asking Larry about the players and the talent and what kind of kids they were, and I got nothing but positive feedback," Leyland said. "It scares me a little bit. It appears it's almost too nice a group to work with from what I've heard so far. It sounds like a great bunch of guys. You have to have someone who stirs it up a little bit."


That sounds like the kind of stuff that was 100% correct, but would scare the Phillies away, doesn't it?

At the end of the interview with the Phillies or shortly after, Wade said: "He scared me a little bit," Leyland joked. "He said I think you ought to talk to the Mets. That doesn't sound too good, does it?"

I know Leyland is a hard ass and a little out there, but I think the Phillies got scared by a guy who knew what he was doing and said what he believed.

I should clarify that last quote was Leyland talking about his conversation with Wade.

Wow, quotes from Bowa, that's all I needed

Wow, quotes from Bowa, that's all I needed

What?

Nothing in what he said looked like it would put the Phils off, so I don't see how that supports your argument.

Leyland talked about what Bowa said to him

Really? The Phillies were lookign for a guy who didn't like the team as it was comprised, thought players liking each other was unimportant, assumed the players would hate him, and wanted to "stir the pot" weren't things that would scare the Phillies?

KB, you were against leyland from day 1 and seems like you're still just to justify your original feeling on him, to me.

Leyland talked about what Bowa said to him

Right...I was surprised that one tiny part of the post would draw a reaction given all the other information there.

I was never "against" him. I thought people should try and relax with their expectations.

Everything he said is stuff the Phils have gone out and done, anyway. Kenny Lofton isn't exactly Mr. Clubhouse, but they brought him in. Lidle was a scab that many, many people in baseball still resented, but they brought him in. THey traded or tried to trade people like Abreu, Burrell, etc.

So, no, it doesn't look like anything he's said would be something that would scare off the PHillies.

Just a hunch, but Leyland's behavior in the interview, be it good or bad, was a non-factor. No way in hell Manuel wasn't getting that job.

So, no, it doesn't look like anything he's said would be something that would scare off the PHillies

They changed GMs after the previous one exhusted all his get out of jail free cards. Wade was convinced he had to be able to win with that roster, but Pat's job was a little bit eaiser in that regard. If Wade dumps Abreu and Lidle for next to nothing it's an admitting he doesn't know what the hell he was doing. If Gillick does it, he's unloading Wade's mistakes.

Wade had to operate as if the team he built could win as it was. Charlie said they could win and Leyland said they had problems. Additionally, Charlie was a players coach and Leyland was considered a "tough love" kinda coach.

Seems to me that Leyland would have scared the stuffing oput of Wade, if not the entire organization.

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