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Dino, a guy writing about someone 30+ years after his death, and basing it off Christian texts is not reliable.

Sorry, more than 30 years

wow, historians!

"I have often been asked why more academics do not take the time to respond to the Jesus Myth theory. After looking into this question, I discovered that most historians and New Testament scholars relevant to the topic have concluded that Jesus Mythers are beyond reason and therefore decide that they have better things to do with their time."

man, i'm dizzy from all these circles

Dino, a guy writing about someone 30+ years after his death, and basing it off Christian texts is not reliable.

What are you referring to? I thought we already acknowledged that there were no "Christian texts" only 30 years after Jesus' death.

I keep waiting for you to say "If you want me to go on arguing, you'll have to pay for another five minutes."

"What are you referring to? I thought we already acknowledged that there were no "Christian texts" only 30 years after Jesus' death."

When did I say that?

I said that. First one was the Gospel of Mark - about 64 AD.

I'm retiring from this. I will restate my initial point that the vast majority of legitimate historians believe that Jesus the person did exist. That's all I've been saying.

And the only evidence you've shown is someone saying that The Jesus Myth is dumb. Lincoln shot.

" I said that. First one was the Gospel of Mark - about 64 AD."

Which, I think, was 3 years before Josephus was born.

Sorry, didn't mean that. Meant that was before he wrote anything

The KB/F4F Edit:

John 3:16

"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, and that whoever [correctly interprets the ironclad evidence that he existed and was who he said he was] shall not perish but have eternal life.

This debate piqued my interest so I watched The God Who Wasn't There last night. Basically, the filmmaker, an ex-fundy, says that Jesus supposedly died in AD 33, and Mark wrote about him sometime after AD 70. In between there is a gap in, in which the only mention of Jesus comes from the apostle Paul, who claims to have seen Jesus in a vision. However, this vision consists only of Jesus' crucifiction, rising, and ascension. All the earlier stuff about Jesus' life, the star and Bethlehem and the miracles was added much later without basis. Paul also never says that his vision took place on Earth, only in a mythic circumstance. The gospels took this and ran with it.

Then he makes the case that the Jesus story is a "hero" story that is similar to other folklore/mythology that predates him, which people now say is obviously false, though interesting, and yet the Jesus story is still believed without much critical thought. And then points to numerous other examples of how folklore became reality in history.

This all happens in the first half hour, and the rest of the film is essentially a non-stop, over-generalized attack on modern Christianity. He's an ex-fundamentalist with a heavy axe to grinD, especially when he visits his former schoolmaster. But overall it's a poorly made, amateurish documentary, which is a shame because it's such an intersting subject that doesn't get proper treatment.

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