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"Uncomfotable silence"....

by that I meant (and I guess we all have to begin speeling out exactly what we mean and can no longer rely on the assumption that other will understand logic and or reason) imagine going into that drycleaners to pick up your shirts and haveing to look at these parents, the guilt alone would be written all over their faces, hence the uncomfotable silence....

I want to hear more about Seth's theories that Cho needed to get tuned up by jocks in high school to set him on the right path!

"One of the groups I ran had a guy named Jimmy. Jimmy painted this whole detailed portrayal of how he was mistreated at home and at school."


Wait a second...I've seen this episode before, isnt' this the one where YOU actually turn out to be "Jimmy"?

Either that or he was just an attention hungry little liar who needed his ass beat.


There are two mutually exclusive things to be considered her.

1. What could have been done to prevent this? Undoubtedly many things. By relatives, schools, doctors…the list is endless.

2. What caused him to be like this? Usually homicidal thoughts and tendencies which lead to actions aren’t taken care of by a good ass beating.

"Mr. and Mrs. Cho, you're son just slaughtered 32 innocent people a couple days ago and then killed himself, we know you must be total wreck, but the public demands immediate gratification. Answers! Now!"

If the survivors who had to watch their classmates' brains being blown out over and over for doing nothing other than showing up for class can pull it together enough to talk, then so can this guy's parents. If the parents who had kids who DIDN'T choose to kill themselves that day can talk about their kids, why can't his parents? My point is, EVERYONE involved is a wreck. As his parents, they may not be at fault, but they ARE involved.

you just gotta love the "friday" threads

and KB keep em coming I agree you're on a roll today

No GGB I'm not Jimmy. Jimmy was so messed up that I honestly believe that he was safer to himself and others when he was on heroin.

"If the survivors who had to watch their classmates' brains being blown out over and over for doing nothing other than showing up for class can pull it together enough to talk, then so can this guy's parents. "

Chicklet... you'll get all your answers after his parents finish their book deal.

Just like Dahmer's parents and other parents or the deranged. Did Tim McVeigh's parents ever step up and explain his actions? I can't recall

If the survivors who had to watch their classmates' brains being blown out over and over for doing nothing other than showing up for class can pull it together enough to talk, then so can this guy's parents.

you have a point here, because not only have witness' spoken but also some victims that lived and family members of some that died... but chic you have to agree that everyone is different (just take this thread as an example) some people are more open and social, and other are withdrawn, and I think it's a pretty widely known "stereo type" (but seemingly true) that a large portion of the asian community is very closely knit keeping outsiders at a distance. so you can want to hear from them but if I were you I wouldn't hold your breath expecting a public statement...

"If the survivors who had to watch their classmates' brains being blown out over and over for doing nothing other than showing up for class can pull it together enough to talk, then so can this guy's parents."

Ok, this is ridiculous. Before you put yourselves in other's shoes, and tell them what they should do, try and think of what they're going through right now. Even though there's a good chance this is none of their fault, the parents are not only dealing with a lost son, but there's always going to be part of them that feels like they could have done something, even though there's a good chance nothing would have worked.

Stop making it out like the parents are at fault here. We have no idea what they're going through, and not every student has been able to speak about it, so don't act like that's the situation.

And, again, we have no idea what info they've provide, so we can't assume they haven't told the investigators anything. Not sure why you keep assuming that's the case.

No GGB I'm not Jimmy. Jimmy was so messed up that I honestly believe that he was safer to himself and others when he was on heroin.

so munch are you saying the H actually kept him more stable?!? if so wouldn't he be the type that probably would bebfit from anti-depressant type drugs, I am asking a serious question, I am honestly ignorant on this subject and curious about the answer

Scotty-

I am not suggesting it woulda righted his path- but it woulda kept him from jumpin in the middle of the paths of the hygenic, determined and normal, how's that?

Back then, they stuck to themselves and accepted their lot.

Now they have a voice- the damned guidance counselors messin everything up.


Its actually the preps and Jocks who are sittin ducks now without a voice.

By their mere station in the social scale, they're targets by these pimplie little scrawns, even tho they antagonize at a fraction of the level that was permitted back in the day.

Its this drop off in subjagation of the dorks, that give them an ancy feeling of "I can fight back" and there you have it.

Gone are the days when they were meek and just longed to stay outta the spotlight.

Now they're cappin asses and filming manifestos.

We need to right this ship.

Its actually the preps and Jocks who are sittin ducks now without a voice.

the poor, poor popular kids. How they make it day to day is beyond me.

As his parents, they may not be at fault, but they ARE involved.

And you have no idea how involved they are already, so what is your point?

Regarding the other parents, they have no fear of anyone accusing them of wrongdoing. They have grief, but not shame, humiliation, utter embarrassment; nor would they feel any threat by making themselves public. You said it "must be nice" that they're in seclusion, as if they're drinking martinis and toasting their dead son's life.

would bebfit from

sorry benefit

"...and the meek shall inherit the Earth."

Actually Tat he was on many anti-depressants and was many times institutionalized.

He came to my group because he was a heroin addict and hated NA. Once off the H, he acted out a lot of the violent thoughts he said he was having. That's why it was so wierd. The H actually kept him from doing what he was thinking.

He killed himself at 3 months sober.

"Mr. and Mrs. Cho, you're son just slaughtered 32 innocent people a couple days ago and then killed himself, we know you must be total wreck, but the public demands immediate gratification. Answers! Now!"


Going to Disneyland?

"We need to right this ship."

They're not gonna get this guy! I'm gonna go down the hall and lay a preemptive ass-kicking on all the programmers in my company.

that sucks, I'll give you credit though, I for one help people if I can but I don't think I could do what you do, no matter how many sucsess stories you have you still have those types and I doubt I could handle dealing with that... ok enough of the downer type talk back to the friday thread... and thanks for the answer by the way

They're not gonna get this guy! I'm gonna go down the hall and lay a preemptive ass-kicking on all the programmers in my company.

Bwahhahahahahah!!!!!

NTFF!

I don't think guidance counselors have any affect on the people that do these things. These people often have a chemical imbalance that counseling doesn't help, unfortunately.

GGB that's just wrong, I thought the same thing but I couldn't bring myself to post it though

These people often have a chemical imbalance that counseling doesn't help, unfortunately.

Ding!

At that level of mental illness, I honestly believe the enviormental factors have little to do with what happens.

Wasn't one of the Columbine kids misdiagnosed and the Zoloft he was on increased his homocidal and suicidal tendencies? I think I remeber that from the documentary.

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