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Seth in 736
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2/22/2008 2:07 PM
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I don't agree with Pat on everything, but he drilled this one F_B.
Cmon.
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I Hate Shaun Young
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2/22/2008 7:16 PM
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NotoriousEAG
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2/22/2008 11:04 PM
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What about Pat B's column did you disagree with?
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Fred_Barnett
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2/22/2008 11:57 PM
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What about Pat B's column did you disagree with?
The fact that he goes ahead and does what he claims that the mainstream media has done in this case: give a one sided story. Go back and look at the tone and the way he goes through the events.
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On Dec. 1, however, Robert Bailey Jr. tried to crash a party at the Fair Barn in Jena. One Justin Sloan, 22, not a student, put a fist in his face. So witnesses and Bailey reported to police, and Sloan was prosecuted for battery.
On Dec. 2, Bailey and two friends jumped a white male entering the "Gotta Go" grocery. When the latter ran to get a shotgun out of his car, they wrested it from him and took it. Two witnesses at the "Gotta Go" agreed.
Totally polar rendering of the events compared to his "mainstream media" version. It's truly as if there are two stories- one black and one white. Anyone with a shred of common sense knows the truth lies somewhere in the grey, but it's common knowledege you're not gonna get "fair and balanced" from PR. Not saying that those black kids shouldn't be punished for what they did, but to hear Pat tell it, every white person in the story was an angel and merely a victim of black thuggery, right up into the media portrayal of them as racists and the blacks kids as innocent. Come on.
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f-dallas
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4/11/2008 7:52 AM
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KeithByars
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4/11/2008 7:55 AM
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WOuldn't it have to be an interracial beating for that analogy to work?
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Seth in 736
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4/11/2008 8:02 AM
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NTF for FD
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f-dallas
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4/11/2008 8:12 AM
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WOuldn't it have to be an interracial beating for that analogy to work?
For it to work absolute perfectly, yes. This isn't a perfect world, Animal.
I think it does say something that these kids (girls, some younger than the Jena 6, and a less severe beating) are getting tried as adults with life on the line (which they will not get). The main argument I heard during the Jena 6 was the charges were trumped up because the kids were black.
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Fred_Barnett
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4/11/2008 8:31 AM
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Did the Jena 6 kidnap the guy?
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KeithByars
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4/11/2008 8:40 AM
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The main argument I heard during the Jena 6 was the charges were trumped up because the kids were black.
and for beating a white kid. This don't work Screwdriver
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f-dallas
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4/11/2008 8:42 AM
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They blocked off a hallway so the kid could be attacked and these guys lured her to a house so she could be attacked. she wasn't "kidnapped", but she WAS falsely imprisoned.
Still, that's the approach you'd take with this? You think THAT is why these girls deserve what they are getting and those kids (some with precious violent records AND more violent acts after that incident) did not?
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f-dallas
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4/11/2008 8:43 AM
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and for beating a white kid. This don't work Screwdriver
It's not perfect, but it's apt.
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KeithByars
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4/11/2008 8:45 AM
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Not at all, Screwdriver. Race was behind that b/c people were up in arms about blacks beating a white. This is just a beating b/c a chick mouthed off on myspace, can't compare all beatings
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f-dallas
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4/11/2008 8:47 AM
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forfuckssake Animal.
The argument with the Jena 6 was their charges were being treated unfairly because they were black (and the kid was white).
These girls (all white, form what i can tell) committed a similar act and are getting similar charges levied against them.
So, that would appear to disprove the believe those backing the Jena 6 held.
Clearly, these kinds of actions draw these kinds of charges whether race is involved or not, is the moral of the story.
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Fred_Barnett
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4/11/2008 8:48 AM
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F-d, don't put words in my mouth
I was just offering a suggestion why- personally I have no clue or opinion which beating was worse
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KeithByars
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4/11/2008 8:49 AM
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But it was racial
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f-dallas
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4/11/2008 8:50 AM
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But it was racial
And this wasn't...but they are being treated the same way.
Get it?
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KeithByars
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4/11/2008 8:51 AM
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one could be a hate crime though
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f-dallas
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4/11/2008 8:52 AM
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It could have been, but based on this case I'd say it wasn't.
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Fred_Barnett
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4/11/2008 8:53 AM
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It's a smokescreen- F-d, make sure when these girls are sent to juvenile and put on probation after a judge lets them off you post that story too
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KeithByars
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4/11/2008 8:53 AM
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One was racial, though, which is a difference
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f-dallas
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4/11/2008 8:57 AM
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Animal, I don't understand what you're missing here.
That's the crux of my entire point.
If these girls were treated differently because they were all white it would potentially imply the crimes were less serious than the Jena 6 case.
Since they are being treated in the same way despite the fact that there is no racial element, they are all girls, and some are as young as 14 suggests that race was never a factor in the charges/punishments handed out in the Jena 6 case.
In this way, those saying race WAS a factor in the Jena 6 charges have something to consider here.
Does that make sense?
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f-dallas
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4/11/2008 8:58 AM
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Should be "these girls WEREN'T treated differently".
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bassiladelph
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4/11/2008 8:58 AM
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The girls' attitudes were considerably lax:
"Guess I'm not going to spend Spring Break on the beach!"
"Can I still go to cheerleading practice?"
And the mom of one of them was like "Well, why did that girl write what she did in the first place?", almost intimating that the smackdown was deserved (that girl lives with her grandmother, actually - and based on that comment, I can't imagine why).
They won't get life, but beatings like these are becoming more and more commonplace to the public eye (I counter that this stuff has been going on for generations; there just wasn't any way to make it all public before youtube).
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KeithByars
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4/11/2008 8:58 AM
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f-d i've been fucking with you for 5 posts now
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