Fred_Barnett

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9/20/2007 11:47 AM




From the Shreveport Times:

"The beating victim, Justin Barker, was knocked unconscious, his face badly swollen and bloodied, though he was able to attend a school function later that night."

Yeah, he must have been INCHES from death...




f-dallas

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9/20/2007 11:50 AM




You're right. The fact that he survived with his life and both of his eyeballs means the case should be dropped under the
"Boys will be Boys" precedent of 1857.




f-dallas

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9/20/2007 11:51 AM




"The all-white jury was selected because none of the 350 blacks in LaSalle Parish who were called for jury duty showed up."

This is one of the funniest things I've ever heard in my entire life.




Fred_Barnett

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9/20/2007 11:58 AM




Here's what I haven't heard from any of you in this thread: Your theories on why these six (animal) kids out of the blue suddenly decided to jump this kid for no reason at all. Maybe the white kid was giving off some type of pheromone- like in the way bees attack when they sense the CO2 from human breath? Or maybe they beat people up for fun all the time, and he was the unlucky recipient that day?




f-dallas

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9/20/2007 12:02 PM




Based on their previous criminal records for assaulting people, I don't know what to assume.

They've reported that the kid made a comments about a black kid that had been beat up at a party.

The kid who got jumped claims they mistook him for one of the guys in a fight at the party (he said he was trying to break that fight up) and jumped him as payback.

There are a couple things we know for certain:

- We do not know who to believe in terms of who started what.

- We do know at least some of the attackers are predisposed to violent assault.

- The law doesn't care if someone who gets assaulted gave the attacker some sass before his beating.




Fred_Barnett

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9/20/2007 12:18 PM




- We do know at least some of the attackers are predisposed to violent assault.

Please enlighten me- I've heard only the one had a record, Mychal Bell.




Dino727

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9/20/2007 12:20 PM




Hmmm....let's see if we can find where the disconnect is here:

In an off-campus attack on a Friday night, one of the Jena Six – Robert Bailey – was attacked with beer bottles by a group of white men at a party.

The next Monday, white student Justin Barker taunted Mr. Bailey about the beating. Moments later, six black students knocked Mr. Barker unconscious and kicked him for more than a minute while he was lying in a school hallway. He face was badly swollen and bloodied, but he was able to attend a school function that night.

Five of the black students, including 17-year-old Mychal Bell, were charged with attempted second-degree murder with bail amounts ranging from $70,000 to $138,000. The charges eventually were reduced to aggravated second-degree battery. In the attack on Mr. Bailey, one white man was charged – with simple battery.

Surely the case has been handled evenly all around.




f-dallas

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9/20/2007 12:20 PM




1 is some. I know of one for certain but considering the drive-by media has been fabricating facts, hiding others, and reporting based on agenda, I can only assume there are more.




f-dallas

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9/20/2007 12:22 PM




I'm interested in the fight at the party because virtually nothing has been reported about it other than the vague "there was a fight and a beer bottle" nonsense.




Seth in 736

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9/20/2007 12:22 PM




I love FB. Honestly I do.
He trudges fwd in the face of just the most ridiculous postions he's put in when a story like this breaks.

(INTENTIONAL PARAPHRASING HERE:)
"The kid attended a school function- whats the big deal here?

Why did he get jumped BY SIX to begin with?
Hmmm? What'd HE DO?"




Dino727

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9/20/2007 12:27 PM




The fact of the matter is that BOTH sides are in the wrong here, there was violence from BOTH sides. 1 side has one guy charged with simple battery, the other has 5 charged with ATTEMPTED MURDER.

How can you not see a problem here?

My solution would just to make the whole effing school a prison and keep everyone there in it for a while.




Fred_Barnett

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9/20/2007 12:28 PM




Welcome back Seth! I thought I was gonna hafta either change my lures or head off to another hole. As far as my "ridiculous positions"- I said they were guilty, but not of attempted murder. What's so aggregious about that? As for Dino's post above, wow, just wow. Didn't know that. Maybe there IS something there after all. Mighty strange, wouldn't you say Seth?




f-dallas

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9/20/2007 12:30 PM




The fact of the matter is that BOTH sides are in the wrong here, there was violence from BOTH sides. 1 side has one guy charged with simple battery, the other has 5 charged with ATTEMPTED MURDER.

For one, they aren't being charged with attempted murder anymore, right?

Second, we have no clue what happened at that party. I'd love to know, but the details have been sketchy at best.

Both sides are clearly wrong, but that doesn't mean they are equally wrong...that's my point. I have to believe that if the incidents were even remotely similar in terms of violence level, more details on the party fight would have been released (but I'm forced to speculate right now).




Fred_Barnett

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9/20/2007 12:32 PM




aggregious= egregious




Fred_Barnett

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9/20/2007 12:35 PM




I have to believe that if the incidents were even remotely similar in terms of violence level, more details on the party fight would have been released (but I'm forced to speculate right now).

I'd much rather get a beating with beer bottles than without. Then please taunt me about it the next day.




Dino727

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9/20/2007 12:37 PM




My main point is that this case has been mishandled from go and there is legitimate reason to suspect racial bias IMO.

Not saying the kids aren't guilty of a crime and certainly not saying the ensuing circus has helped.

I just get why some people are pissed off.




Dino727

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9/20/2007 12:38 PM




And let's not forget that this thing started with nooses being hung from a tree in the deep south. How could anyone take that wrong?




f-dallas

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9/20/2007 12:39 PM




One resulted in a cut on the head and the other resulted in unconciousness and an injury that nearly cost the kid his eye. Sign me up for the "beer bottle beating", too.

Seriously, does anyone know any of the details of that fight? Was he beaten mercilously with a beer bottle? Was a beer bottle lobbed into the crowd? Did he attack someone and get jumped or did a group of students attack him? Was there an actual beating or was it a different kind of altercation? Were white women involved?

I'm interested in the details.




GlennGoBlue

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9/20/2007 12:39 PM




Perhaps sitting on a jury, or even showing up for duty constitutes "snitching"?




f-dallas

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9/20/2007 12:42 PM




My main point is that this case has been mishandled from go and there is legitimate reason to suspect racial bias IMO.

Not saying the kids aren't guilty of a crime and certainly not saying the ensuing circus has helped.

I just get why some people are pissed off.


That's not really a fair point without all the facts. I don't know if it was mishandled, because a lot of the facts are hazy.

What I know is they are currently charged with second degree aggrivated assault which is defined as: Aggravated second-degree battery is a battery committed with a dangerous weapon when the offender intentionally inflicts serious bodily injury. ... Serious bodily means bodily injury which involves unconsciousness, extreme physical pain or protracted and obvious disfigurement, or protracted loss or impairment of the function of a bodily member, organ, or mental faculty or a substantial risk of death.

If convicted of aggravated second-degree battery, one can be imprisoned for as many as 15 years.

They dropped the conspiricy charges, which would have implied they planned on assaulting the kid. They dropped the attempted murder charges when they were satisfied they didn't intend to kill the kid.

It kinda seems like they started with the highest charge they through was possible and reduced it as they felt the facts were sufficient to do so. Sounds like the right path to me.




Fred_Barnett

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9/20/2007 12:43 PM




Were white women involved?

NTF




Dino727

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9/20/2007 12:44 PM




They didn't INITIALLY charge them with attempted murder. They UPPED it to that. Yes, they eventually dropped it back down but they didn't "start at the top" as you say.




GlennGoBlue

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9/20/2007 12:45 PM




On an unrelated matter, they should either hold a National Lottery for, or auction on ebay the chance to sit on the OJ Jury, Part Deux "This Time He Fries".




Dino727

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9/20/2007 12:46 PM




And by the "case being mishandled" I am not referring to just the legal case - I mean the entire situation. The kids who hung the nooses should have been expelled, PERIOD.




GlennGoBlue

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9/20/2007 12:47 PM




And who's to say it's NOT attempted murder charge, Dino? I personally sat on an attempted murder jury less than 2 years ago, and in our instructions from the judge we WERE allowed the wiggle room to reduce the conviction to Assault, but WE were the ones to decide, not Sharpton's Roving Band of Racial Rioters.




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