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Glenn drilled that.


And NC wrote:
The discussion seems to focus on the abortion and glosses over what happens after it. I've often thought that if Christ walked by a clinic, he'd be by the door, comforting the woman and letting her know His Love is still waiting for her heart to open.


And I agree 100%.

fine glenn.

i just find it, personally, to be a highly offensive phrase and doesn't add anything to the discussion. you can make your position clearly known without that kind of inflamatory rhetoric.

whether you are aware of it or not, we all most likely know people who have gone through this, and a little sensitivity to them might be best.

the vast majority of objective researchers believe that embryonic cells are the most promising for research. i wish i knew more details but i dont.


But that's why the most recent breakthrough is exciting.

Adult stem cells have almost no rejection rate. I think they have none, but I don't know for certain.

Researchers found a way to take the stable adult stem cell and "reset" it to mimic the embryonic stem cell. Link

Here's a useful snippet:

They used skin cells taken from the tails of sick mice, transformed them into stem cells, manipulated those stem cells into healthy bone marrow cells and then transplanted them into the sick mice.

And since the new cells came from the sick mice, there was also no need for dangerous immunosuppressant drugs to prevent rejection.

But leading stem cell researchers warned that the skin cells are not yet -- and might never be -- a substitute for embryonic stem cells.

"This new research is just the beginning -- we hardly understand how these cells work," said James Thomson of the University of Wisconsin at Madison, who led one of the two teams which made the simultaneous discoveries.

"It is not the time to abandon stem cell research," Thomson said, adding that embryonic stem cells will remain the "gold standard" by which other research is measured.

Further research is also needed to find a safer way to transform the skin cells and to make sure that the cells do not deteriorate over time.

I've often thought that if Christ walked by a clinic, he'd be by the door, comforting the woman and letting her know His Love is still waiting for her heart to open.

agreed! and he certainly wouldn't be chastising the woman by sticking a finger in her face and calling her a murderer, so why should we?

"whether you are aware of it or not, we all most likely know people who have gone through this, and a little sensitivity to them might be best."



I am quite aware of it. And it was not I who used the term, it was the Resident Woody Woodpecker. Who, himself, has chosen the ultimate form of birth control....

eternal damnation?

NTFF!

ncsf, i stand by my initial post on the stem cell subject as based on the best of my understanding. i've have heard your point about the new "breakthroughs" with adult stem cells, but then heard it counter-pointed by scientists who say "bull".

while glenn thinks otherwise, i am not smart or informed enough to really debate this any further with you.

...and the 12 step program has begun...

People here waved off the concerns I aired earlier and said they amounted to nothing. Yet, he's had to ditch Wright, Trininty, and now Johnson. I'll tell you now. Unless he really, really sharpens his foreign policy message and visits Iraq and Afghanistan, he will get hammered - legitimately - for not taking the situation(s) seriously enough.

I think you're wrong, but we'll find out. McCain doesn't have a foreign policy, for 1. It'll be a slap-fight at best.

Second, no one cares about foreign policy right now (and I mean no one). It's the economy right now and people concerned about the economy as their #1 issue outnumber the others by a wide margin.

Third, people who are going to vote for Obama don't care about his supposed lack of "judgment" on the people listed above. He had a guy in an unpaid position helping him select a VP candidate and when he found out he may have had a shady deal with Countrywide, he dropped him. At this level of politics, everyone has a shady deal. No way around it and there are people on McCain's team with similar ties to similar companies. The Republicans can hammer it if they like, but it's not going to win them votes.

Fourth, the latest polling is out from the WSJ/NBC from this past weekend through Monday or Tuesday, I think. Keep in mind, the Hillary numbers haven't fully bumped in for Obama yet, so a lot of his numbers are going to increase below:


From NBC/WSJ:

Obama has opened up a six-point advantage over McCain (47%-41%) in the latest NBC/WSJ poll, which is up three points from Obama’s lead in April. Perhaps the most fascinating numbers are in the crosstabs, and some of the numbers will surprise folks who memorized every exit poll from the Democratic primaries. Obama leads McCain among African Americans (83-7), Hispanics (62-28), women (52-33), Catholics (47-40), independents (41-36) and even blue-collar workers (47-42). Obama is also ahead among those who said they voted for Clinton in the Democratic primaries (61-19). Meanwhile, McCain is up among evangelicals (69-21), white men (55-35), men (49-41), whites (47-41), and white suburban women (44-38). However, Obama has a seven-point edge (46-39) among all white women. How important is that lead? NBC/WSJ co-pollster Neil Newhouse (R) explains that Republican candidates always expect to win white men by a substantial margin, but it’s white women that usually decide the race. “If a Republican wins among white women, we usually win that election,” he says, noting that George Bush carried that group in 2000 and 2004. The poll was conducted of 1,000 registered voters from June 6-9 (Clinton endorsed Obama on June 7), and it has a +/- 3.1% margin of error.

agreed! and he certainly wouldn't be chastising the woman by sticking a finger in her face and calling her a murderer, so why should we?


I've never been in the camp of calling women who've had them, "murderers." It doesn't mean I don' think its murder. I just think the better way to approach it is with the understanding that I'm a sinner and in no place to judge. I will offer to help, though.

Heard this on the radio a couple weeks ago (shocker, I listen to Christian radio when driving - cuts down on road rage).

Romans 14:13 "Therefore let us stop passing judgement on one another. Instead, make up your mind not to put any stumbling block or obstacle in your brother's way."

Flesh, I invite you to join me at the Planned Parenthood on 12th and Locust.

As women enter, I do my best to change their minds.

In my best, high pitched, childlike voice, I yell at them, "Please don't kill me, Mommy! What did I ever do to you, Mommy?"

Every Monday morning flesh. Join me.

As far as infanticide goes, I just like things the way they are. I don't think anyone has the right to tell someone else that a cluster of cells has to be brought to term. It's always going to be legal in some way (rape, incest, danger to mother, etc.), so you have to do your best to decide the cutoff for having the procedure done, educate people, and let them decide for themselves how they'll handle their individual situation.

Funny, but very "wrong."

Heard this on the radio a couple weeks ago (shocker, I listen to Christian radio when driving - cuts down on road rage).

funny. it has the opposite effect on me.

but i agree with your sentitment, ncsf.

Brutal.

C'mon NEAG! You aren't even trying anymore. Everyone has seen Juno. I know being the resident provocateur is hard work, but you are better than that.

abortion cuts down on crime. can we all agree with that?

what's brutal, ggb?

I've never seen Juno

abortion cuts down on crime. can we all agree with that?

Yes. So would alot of things you wouldn't endorse

abortion cuts down on crime. can we all agree with that?

Not nearly to the degree Freakonomics contended. Besides, lots of things can cut down on crime. Doesn't mean I want them.

The discussion seems to focus on the abortion and glosses over what happens after it.

I think this is a really good point. I don't think it's an argument for or against abortion, but a good point nonetheless.

OUT for yelling at confused, scared moms to be heading into a clinic- as is NEAG, in reality.


And a 2002 study I read last month as part of a seperate presentation cites all abortions (In US) due to rape and incest at less than 2%.

i was kidding about the crime comment.

i mean, i'm sure it's true, but so would razing the projects with everyone in them, and that might be taking crime prevention a tad too far.

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