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"Hussein" to big a word for you?

Then why don't you like when people use it?

More superb logic (and grammar.)

Ripping a typo. The last gasp of a defeated man.

How can I be defeated if I'm right and you're dumb?

What would J Sydney say?

I believe it was B. Hussein O. who said "It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the Kingdom of Heaven".

I think that's caused a little rift between he and EAG.

Uh, anyway, Obama breaking His Word is not a major thing for me. I'm not voting for Him.

However, it is noteworthy, as is the spinning His supporters do to keep the curtain from being pulled back on His Obamaness.

A paragraph of hedging? Buddy, He was explaining why and how He would implement His Word. The word you were looking for is "expounding," not "hedging."

As I said earlier, I didn't expect some here to acknowledge cracks in His carefully crafted image.

Pointing it out (and the NAFTA switch) is for the benefit of the infidels (Independents and Replublicans) or "Children of the Book" - i.e. Democrats.

I also noted McCain's timely switch, because I think he's full of ****, as well.

Lousy Infidels.....

NC, I think everyone here was equally shocked you made a federal case of it.

Sorry to hear he "lost" your vote, though. This is going to toss the polling upside down.

Beyond getting a sex change, dipping himself in acid, and changing his name to Oillary Blinton, I don't know if he had much of a chance.

Have another bowl of soylent green and cry yourself to sleep.

NC, I think everyone here was equally shocked you made a federal case of it.


I know I was.

NC, show a little consistency.

You can't laud him for changing his mind on NAFTA and then doing what even you believe to be the right thing regarding financing.

If you receive new information and decide to alter your strategy based on those facts, that's just sound judgment. It's what normal human beings do every day of their lives.

We already have a president who sticks steadfastly to his 'principles' regardless of what happens. It makes you look foolish.

If you're a Saints fan why are you even here? Get lost.

It's Friday.

I think what we're seeing now is not Obama changing his mind. What I think he's doing is making it up for the first time.

He's been in politics for, what, six years now? Six years into my tenure in the tech industry I certainly didn't know everything and I still don't 10 years into it. He's being forced to take some positions and he's getting up to speed on them.

I'm okay if he changes his position from time to time as long as he's doing it for the right reasons.

Regarding campaign finance ... the whole system runs on money and Obama is just removing the pretense.

NC, nice touch on the "Jesus Caps" referring to Obama and His Word.

By the way, no dumber people in the world than the ones who buy that/use it in any way but comedy.

I didn't make a federal case of it. I mentioned it and people reacted. I probably would’ve let it drop if someone didn’t say that he never made the pledge, when it was clear he did. As it went on and the Obama supporters sought to say my thoughts on the subject were flawed, I posted to explain and defend my position.

There's a fairly significant difference between the NAFTA flip-flop and the campaign finance flip-flop.

The difference is that he can challenge McCain to public finincing. Seriously challenge and not "hedge" challenge.

He wants to be portrayed as a new class of politician. Yet, in every way, he acts like a typical, run of the mill, politician. Slimey friends, questionable personal finance deals, do as I say and not as I do ("work" to register people, but when he runs for office, work to disqualify the effort of voters, for example), and so on. Claims to transcend political partisanship, but has no history of really challenging his own party. Claims to transcend race, but has bigots as spiritual advisors. Talks about his history of accomplishments, but can’t explain what he did as a community organizer, has only one year of legislative work to boast about, and is famous for writing books about himself.

The campaign finance flip-flop isn’t a federal case to me. I posted it without much comment and other people chose to make a federal case that he wuz wronged.

People who haven't made up their mind on who to vote for should be able to hear someone who hasn't drunk the Kool-Aid.

Bring up the inconsistencies with McCain. I'll happily chime in and knock him when he's full of it. In fact, I'm eager to see his hat dance today (I think it's today) when he speaks to a Hispanic group. This guy won't know who to pander to after the meeting, like Barrack and the AIPAC/Jerusalem thing.

Our nation will have a choice between an empty suit who will be led around by stronger personalities with ulterior motives (read: special interests) and a guy who panders for popularity and will never be able to craft a coherent domestic strategy.

I didn't make a federal case of it. I mentioned it and people reacted. I probably would’ve let it drop if someone didn’t say that he never made the pledge, when it was clear he did.

He said, very clearly, he'd "actively pursue it". That's a not a "pledge" in my book and the fact that used the phrasing that was printed and handed out lets me know exactly where you're getting your opinion.

Like I said...I'm really sorry you mistook his stance, but I'm glad he made the decision you were hoping he would.

The guy comes from Chicago politics, one of the most corrupt political machines in the entire country. "Community organizer" is code for a socialist.

I think that getting to level of the game, it's impossible to not have shady connections with slimy people. Maybe I'm a cynic and maybe I'm just a realist, but I think it's pretty safe to say most people in AmeriKKKa agree with that.

We're not exactly picking between a couple of average Joe's every 4 years.

We've got a new list of loaded words being entered into the campaign lexicon:

- "liar"
- "disturbing"
- "broken promise"
- "broken pledge"

These are emotional words used by women and children. Grown-ups use grown up words.

f-d,
He was asked a direct question and answered, "Yes."

You have a different standard by which to measure, "Yes" that includes, "Maybe." I don't and most people don't.

I think I'm done for now, since it appears time to start calling people names.

If you read past the yes, you would have picked up on the fact that he was "pledging", "swearing", "promising", or using any other emotionally descriptive words binding him to that idea.

I'm not calling anyone names, by the way. I think that anyone who honestly thinks Obama is being presented as a candidate with flaws OR as any kind of messiah is an idiot. I'm not saying you believe that.

I'm also saying anyone using emotional words like "promise", "disturbing", "liar", etc. aren't using using a grown-up vocabulary. McCain is included in that bunch. Those are the words you hear used most often in grade school classroom...not presidential elections. It's absurd.

There's a huge difference between changing your position when the facts change and changing when it suits you. You can try to spin it any way you want. It's slimy. Expected, but slimy. I think this quote from 2008central.net sums it up best.

"My issue isn’t with Obama refusing to take public funds. Rather, my issue is with Obama spending most of 2007 arguing in favor of the public financing system and promising to support it should he become the party’s nominee, only to disregard those previous statements when he actually became the party’s nominee.
Further, I think it is a political miscalculation for the campaign to assume that people will not care about Obama’s changed position on the issue. Here’s why: The Obama campaign is based largely on the promise of change, on doing things differently, on real and tangible results. Yet, when given the opportunity to change things now (like the public financing system or engaging the GOP nominee in several joint campaign events), the Obama campaign consistently comes up with excuses on why that change isn’t proper at the moment. Obviously, these kinds of moves are not going to hurt Obama with current supporters; however, it may hurt him with independents and Republicans that want to believe in him, but see these kinds of isuses (albeit small in the grand scheme of things) as signals that Obama may not deliver on the promises of his campaign. This could very well be a problem for the Obama campaign and they should be ever mindful of it."

60% of the American public is against public financing and only 11% voluntarily contribute to it.

He's also the first candidate since watergate to opt out.

What that tells me is people don't like the system and what he's doing IS different than everyone else. Right?

The people who are up in arms are the people who believe this is an example of him "breaking his promise". I, personally, don't think he really "promised" anything and I don't think this is a slippery slope of any kind, either. Dude was going to give up a MASSIVE financial advantage and have to deal with the 527's. By taking the matching funds, he'd be essentially handing over an advantage to McCain in the interest of not being called childish names by McCain's campaign.

Obama's supporters don't care...they are supporting him because they want him to win...not look honorable in his beat-down like Kerry.

Obama is the first candidate since Watergate to not accept public funds. How is that NOT change again?

Just sayin.

I do consider it a broken promise by the way. I am just having a real hard time giving a crap.

What does Watergate have to do with this?

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