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If you're not involved in the discussion then at least quite blocking punts, F-D, but I can't understand what it is you can't understand.

After lunch maybe I'll try to put in a "Dick and Jane" type format.

"Who do you think has more influence in the republican party as it stands now? Evangelists or Jews?"



Not my point. Do Jews support the Republican party and do they do it to a large extent based on it's support and defense of Israel? And by "jews", I mean deep-pocketed ones that contribute financially.

Evangelists and Christians support the pachyderms because of their stance on issues like Abortion, School Prayer (perhaps more in the past), etc, NOT because they are defending the battlefield of some future Spiritual showdown. Stop.

I'm not saying tax hikes are a lock to be great for the economy. I'm just saying raising taxes on the rich isn't a lock to hurt the economy by any stretch.

Actually, it is a lock.

"Conclusion

The Reagan tax cuts, like similar measures enacted in the 1920s and 1960s, showed that reducing excessive tax rates stimulates growth, reduces tax avoidance, and can increase the amount and share of tax payments generated by the rich. High top tax rates can induce counterproductive behavior and suppress revenues, factors that are usually missed or understated in government static revenue analysis. Furthermore, the key assumption of static revenue analysis that economic growth is not affected by tax changes is di sproved by the experience of previous tax reduction programs. There is little reason to expect static revenue analysis to evaluate the economic or distributional effects of current tax reform proposals much better than it evaluated the Reagan tax program 15 years ago."
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Some more info. on the lock

"What makes Hauser's Law work? For supply-siders there is no mystery. As Mr. Hauser said: "Raising taxes encourages taxpayers to shift, hide and underreport income. . . . Higher taxes reduce the incentives to work, produce, invest and save, thereby dampening overall economic activity and job creation."

Putting it a different way, capital migrates away from regimes in which it is treated harshly, and toward regimes in which it is free to be invested profitably and safely. In this regard, the capital controlled by our richest citizens is especially tax-intolerant."
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If you're not involved in the discussion then at least quite blocking punts, F-D, but I can't understand what it is you can't understand.

After lunch maybe I'll try to put in a "Dick and Jane" type format.

Dude...

I am saying that the party that Flesh is ripping for using "Fear" is strongly supported by Jews that support it for it's support and position on Israel and it's security, a position Flesh has defended in the past

That sentence makes B. Hussein sound "direct", "clear", and "to the point" when he discusses his energy policy.

Are you saying that because Flesh is a dirty jew he has to agree with everything the Republican party does?

All from
-- Pastor John Hagee


For example, Pastor John Hagee — a televangelist to 99 million viewers — established Christians United for Israel (CUFI) in 2005 following the publication of his book, The Jerusalem Countdown: A Warning to the World.

US writer Robert Weitzel explains, "Hagee envisions CUFI as the Christian version of the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, the powerful pro-Israel lobby whose political clout has significant influence on US foreign policy in the Middle East."

Journalist Max Blumenthal took his cameras to the CUFI's Washington-Israel Summit held July 2007, in Washington DC. The result was a documentary entitled, Rapture Ready: The Unauthorized Christians United for Israel Tour. It opens with a dialogue with former Republican House Majority Leader Tom Delay, who was asked how important is the Second Coming is in his support of Israel. "Obviously, it is what I live for. Really, I hope it comes tomorrow. Obviously, we need to be connected to Israel to enjoy the Second Coming of Christ."

Let's try that again:

What Senator McCain, I feel, needs to do to bring evangelicals into his camp is to make it very clear that he is a strong defender of Israel and that he has a strong 24 year of being pro-life. And I think on those two issues they will get on common ground and have a common understanding."

-- Pastor John Hagee


For example, Pastor John Hagee — a televangelist to 99 million viewers — established Christians United for Israel (CUFI) in 2005 following the publication of his book, The Jerusalem Countdown: A Warning to the World.

US writer Robert Weitzel explains, "Hagee envisions CUFI as the Christian version of the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, the powerful pro-Israel lobby whose political clout has significant influence on US foreign policy in the Middle East."

Journalist Max Blumenthal took his cameras to the CUFI's Washington-Israel Summit held July 2007, in Washington DC. The result was a documentary entitled, Rapture Ready: The Unauthorized Christians United for Israel Tour. It opens with a dialogue with former Republican House Majority Leader Tom Delay, who was asked how important is the Second Coming is in his support of Israel. "Obviously, it is what I live for. Really, I hope it comes tomorrow. Obviously, we need to be connected to Israel to enjoy the Second Coming of Christ."



Plenty more examples if you want them.

So almost 1/3 of not only Christians but AMERICANS watch Hagee? Wow. He must be powerful.

From this article:

"But Christian Zionism is another crucial factor. It is a booming movement based on the idea that Israel's travails fulfil biblical prophecy.

As the head of Christians United for Israel, which links hundreds of US evangelical leaders, Mr Hagee is one of Israel's most influential supporters.

Mr Hagee sees a showdown between Islam and the West. "This is a religious war that Islam cannot and must not win," he has said. "The end of the world as we know it is rapidly approaching."

Organized religion is a sham and a crutch for the weak minded who need strength in numbers.

TV Evangelist John Hagee Wants War With Iran, and He Wants It Now!

SZR, the only thing you've convinced me of is that you take 99% of your information on Christians from the internet (and selected links at that) and with next to zero face to face interaction.



Christians, by and large, do not support the Republicans because of their stance on Israel. It is well down the list, and the way your cute little links make it seem like it is Issue #1 or something. Which it certainly would be if we all believed that we were gonna suit up for a Big Game there tomorrow, wouldn't it?

For the third and hopefully final time I was referring to evangelists and the hard-cores and NOT Christians as a whole. Thankfully, yes, I do not have daily interaction with these people, but I do read books and I do watch documentaries and I do try to be as learned as I possibly can. And yes that included surfing the internet.

Bottom line, this is top priority for an increasingly large and influential segment of the Christian population based on religious beliefs and not because of democracy or mortal threat to an ally.

Still think it's "bullshit"?

Sorry, this is "a" top priority, not "the" top priority.

New York money men run AIPAC and they are very influential on both political parties

I will try to get back to this later, but I think my original point (which was only going after what I felt was a bit of hypocrisy on the part of Flesh). Since I was not really calling out the Pubs, whether it's bullshit or not does not matter. But Neag may be correct as well.



For now, Month-end issues beckon.


SZR, you won't find many evangelicals, even, that vote Republican because of their defense of Isreal, they are FAR more concerned with domestic issues.

And many rich republican Jews vote republican mainly because they are rich and not because they are zionists.

Conclusion: go phils.

To Zak and anyone else who thinks they know why the looney evangelicals vote how they do-

Stop.

Unless you can say (shamefully) that you have one in your IMMEDIATE FAMILY who tried to endoctornate you into those same beliefs- you havent a clue.

Dude- I was marching in anti-abortion rallies before I knew where to stick your jammy to MAKE an unwanted baby.

Gays were filthy disease ridden people who had it comin with AIDS.

Didnt want to join me at dinner the 1st time i brought Chicklett home cos she had a son outta wedlock and it wasnt mine.

ISRAEL never came up EVER in all my years with this guy who funneled HEAPS of cash to 700 Club (Sorry Scotty, not 700level) and Jim Baker.

Any of you saps ever get a "FAMILY VACATION" to HERITAGE USA?
Oh, i did.
THE FUN WE HAD. EFF DUDE!~


Its ALLL about the Anti-Abortion, Prayer in School (glenn alluded to it- HUGE in the 80s) stuff on the moral lines.

"yes, all politics are slimy, but the dems don't use fear as a tool anywhere near the way the elephants do. nor do they character-assassinate with the same zeal. hopefully with rove out of the picture, we will see a little less of this."

That is a whopping load of BS. Both sides use fear. The Clintons were masters of the fear and smear campaigns. And yes, Rove was too.

Beside scaring the inner city poor, the dems go after the little old ladies saying their Medicare and social security will be taken from them. Don't tell me Hollywood is not a part of the Dems fear arsenal as well.

It is foolish to say one side is worse than the other. In my book, equally evil. The Dems have Hollywood and the mass media. The Reps have evangelicals and big business.

You might as well say the Eagles did not win the Super Bowl last year, in spite of their superior talent, because they were getting jobbed by the NFL and officials. Or because the other teams were cheating and the birds were the only honest team in the league.

As long as we have the 2 party system, this will always be the case. As a nation, we either need more parties or no parties. But this will never happen. So Slap's hope and dreams will get dashed on the jagged rocks below.

Its ALLL about the Anti-Abortion, Prayer in School (glenn alluded to it- HUGE in the 80s) stuff on the moral lines.

I find it hard to believe that domestic issues supersede the second coming of Christ on an evangelist's list of "things I'd like to see happen in the world."

If you don't believe there is a real, powerful groundswell of support for Israel from the Christian right based on religious prophecy, then you need to wake up.

Republicans have been in power for 20 of the last 28 years, so I think it's fair to say they been better at scaring people if both parties use fear to their advantage.

Also a pretty tough feat if we're to believe the myth of the "liberal mass media", IMO.

I'm not trashing them...just pointing out they are really good at what they do.

The 2nd coming has SQUATAH to do with Israel among these people, ultimately, and they're more concerned with heaping scorn on unwed moms, those who aint down with prayer in school.

The 2nd coming is goin to happen- whether there's turmoil over there or whatever. They know that.

Now- I realize that there is a very vocal SEGMENT of those who consider themselves to be evangelicals- but listen to me when i tell you that they're a minority- just a minority who has some peeps in it with the means both financially and connections-wise to make some noise.

I find it hard to believe that domestic issues supersede the second coming of Christ on an evangelist's list of "things I'd like to see happen in the world."

If you don't believe there is a real, powerful groundswell of support for Israel from the Christian right based on religious prophecy, then you need to wake up.

Prophetically, a lot of stuff is supposed to happen before the final battle. The "evangelists" who understand what's supposed to happen before that time are (mostly) either misguided fools or running for their own interests that have little to do with prophecy or even Christianity.

And even this:
It opens with a dialogue with former Republican House Majority Leader Tom Delay, who was asked how important is the Second Coming is in his support of Israel. "Obviously, it is what I live for. Really, I hope it comes tomorrow. Obviously, we need to be connected to Israel to enjoy the Second Coming of Christ."

This misunderstands why the prophecy exists in the first place.

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