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good one. but i guess as bush voter, not really much else you can say.

He could say, "Where's the proof a US citizen's rights were abused?" Legit question.

I think the FISA bill was overhyped as a bigger threat than it was, much like the Patriot Act. Lots of hand-wringing and gnashing of teeth (or tearing of robes, if you're more inclined), but after years of being on the books, the cases of abuse are on par or lower than your standard government regulation/law.

I know the followers of Obama are upset, but America didn't die today. It didn't even get a splinter.

Yes, it was going to pass, because most of the congress are a bunch of weak-kneed pussies. Both parties are a disgrace for passing this. F the constitution I guess.

but Corporate America didn't die today. It didn't even get a splinter.

Fixed it for you.

I could give a shit that they passed this law.


I think, someone will need to spell out a bit more what it actually means to me. I suspect nothing. Which is why I don't give a shit.

"Worse yet, the new law that is about to be passed is the worst possible permutation imaginable--not only does it perform all the aforementioned perfidious tasks of justifying lawbreaking and expanding our surveillance state, it practically removes all oversight from the process and allows the surveillance system to be easily tailored to pick on purely domestic issues, ranging from illegal online gambling to P2P file sharing."

Here's why this stinks - simply because the people who would normally be inclined to protect you only ended up protecting their self-interests. You can bet the RIAA is excited about the latter.

And even beyond all of that, it didn't seem like the public was made fully aware of this bill passing. The detractors could've been pounding the pavement, getting people more informed about what was going to happen. Instead, it's passed on as an afterthought.

America isn't dead, but we're one step closer to 1984.

Glenn, read the 4th amendment if you can dig it out from under the pile of shit that just landed on top of it.

I get it, you guys are pissed off cause you can't steal shit that people worked hard to make, like music, etc.

Oh cry me a fucking river for the musicians.

My opinion has nothing to do with thieves who steal music.

Ditto @ Dino. Quit with the red herring bullshit, Glenn.

Could care less about illegal downloads (and I won't get into all the bruhaha about musicians and the RIAA and such).

My point wasn't so much about the monitoring of illegal downloads but for the invasion of privacy. It's got much more to do with than the RIAA.

Maybe they were scared of Bush's 30% approval rating, considering Congress isn't hitting double digits.

Glenn,
Here's the summary:

Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978 Amendments Act of 2008 or FISA Amendments Act of 2008 - Title I: Foreign Intelligence Surveillance - (Sec. 101) Amends the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978 (FISA) to add a new title concerning additional procedures for acquiring the communications of certain persons outside the United States.
Authorizes the Attorney General (AG) and Director of National Intelligence (DNI) to jointly authorize, for periods up to one year, the targeting (electronic surveillance) of persons located outside the United States in order to acquire foreign intelligence information, under specified limitations, including: (1) prohibiting an acquisition intentionally targeting a person reasonably believed to be outside the United States in order to acquire the communications of a specific person reasonably believed to be located in the United States, unless done in accordance with titles I or III of FISA; and (2) requiring the targeting to be conducted in a manner consistent with the fourth amendment to the Constitution. Requires: (1) certain targeting and minimization procedures to be followed; and (2) prior to such targeting, a certification by the AG and DNI as to the necessity of such targeting and that appropriate procedures will be followed. Allows the AG and DNI, if immediate targeting is determined to be required, to commence such targeting, but to submit the certification within seven days of such determination. Requires all certifications to be submitted to the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court (Court) for review.
Authorizes the AG and DNI to direct an electronic communication service provider to: (1) immediately provide the government with all information, facilities, and assistance necessary to accomplish an acquisition; and (2) maintain under security procedures any records concerning such acquisition. Outlines legal procedures with respect to directive challenges, standards for review, enforcement, and appeals. Provides for: (1) judicial review of certifications and targeting and minimization procedures; and (2) review of Court rulings by the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court of Review (with certiorari to the Supreme Court). Requires the maintenance and security of records and proceedings with respect to acquisition applications, orders, and determinations.
Requires the AG and DNI, at least every six months, to: (1) assess compliance with required targeting and minimization procedures; and (2) submit assessment results to the Court and the congressional intelligence committees. Authorizes inspectors general of the Department of Justice (DOJ) and elements of the intelligence community (IC) authorized to acquire foreign intelligence information to review their agency or element's compliance with such procedures and provide review results to the AG, DNI, and intelligence committees. Requires the head of any IC element conducting an acquisition of foreign intelligence information to annually review such acquisitions and report review results to the Court, the AG, the DNI, and the intelligence committees.
Provides Court jurisdiction for the targeting of a U.S. person located outside the United States when the acquisition of information is conducted within the United States. Requires an application for such acquisition to be made by a federal officer (and approved by the AG), and to contain certain requirements, including that the target is believed to be a foreign power or agent, officer, or employee of a foreign power. Provides for judicial review of a Court order approving such an acquisition. Makes approval orders effective for 90 days, with authorized 90-day renewals. Allows the AG to authorize an emergency acquisition of such a target under certain circumstances, including: (1) determining that an emergency exists; (2) informing a Court judge of such determination; and (3) applying within seven days for a Court order authorizing such surveillance. Provides similar Court jurisdiction and outlines similar procedures for the acquisition (and emergency acquisition) of a physical search.
Authorizes the: (1) joint applications and concurrent approvals of requests for acquisitions proposed to be conducted both inside and outside the United States; and (2) concurrent authorizations of electronic surveillance and physical searches.
Directs the AG to report semiannually to the intelligence and judiciary committees concerning the implementation of acquisition requirements.
(Sec. 102) States that FISA and the procedures of chapters 119 (Wire and Electronic Communications Interception and Interception of Oral Communications), 121 (Stored Wire and Electronic Communications and Transactional Records Access), and 206 (Pen Registers and Trap and Trace Devices) of the federal criminal code shall be the exclusive means by which electronic surveillance and the interception of domestic wire, oral, or electronic communications may be conducted.
(Sec. 103) Requires the AG to submit semiannually to the intelligence committees copies of any orders of the Court or the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court of Review that include significant construction or interpretation of FISA, including any such orders issued during the five-year period before the enactment of this Act. Allows for the redaction of submitted materials for the protection of national security.
(Sec. 104) Revises provisions concerning the application for, and issuance of, Court orders, including provisions concerning paperwork requirements and government officials who may authorize FISA actions.
(Sec. 105) Allows the AG to authorize the emergency employment of electronic surveillance if the AG, among other things: (1) determines that an emergency exists; (2) informs a Court judge of such determination; and (3) applies for a Court order authorizing such surveillance.
(Sec. 107) Provides similar revisions and outlines similar procedures as in sections 104 and 105 above for the emergency employment of physical searches.
(Sec. 108) Requires the AG, after authorizing the installation and use of a pen register or trap and trace device on an emergency basis, to apply to the Court for an authorization order within seven days (current law requires 48 hours) after the emergency installation and use.
(Sec. 109) Authorizes the Court to sit en banc when: (1) necessary to secure or maintain uniformity of Court decisions; or (2) the proceeding involves a question of exceptional importance.
(Sec. 110) Authorizes the acquisition of foreign intelligence information in order to prevent the international proliferation of weapons of mass destruction.
Title II: Protections for Electronic Communication Service Providers - (Sec. 202) Prohibits an action against an electronic communication service provider (provider) if the AG certifies to the court involved that the assistance was: (1) in connection with an intelligence activity authorized by the President during the period beginning on September 11, 2001, and ending on January 17, 2007, and designed to prevent a terrorist attack or related activities against the United States; and (2) described in a written request or directive from the AG or head of an IC element to the provider indicating that the activity was authorized by the President and determined to be lawful. Subjects AG certifications to review for abuse of discretion. Requires the court involved to review in camera and ex parte a declaration by the AG that disclosure of a certification would harm national security.
(Sec. 203) Provides a similar prohibition and certification requirements as above in the case of actions against individuals other than providers furnishing requested assistance to an IC element.
(Sec. 204) Prohibits a state from conducting investigations, imposing sanctions, or commencing or maintaining a civil action or other proceeding against a provider furnishing requested assistance.
Title III: Other Provisions - (Sec. 301) Provides severability protections for this Act and its amendments.
(Sec. 302) Repeals FISA provisions made inconsistent by provisions of this Act. Outlines transition procedures.




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He could say, "Where's the proof a US citizen's rights were abused?" Legit question.

huh? it's a blatant unconstitutional invasion of privacy. the bill just passed, so how could a particular citizen's rights have been abused yet?

glenn, and i mean this without hyperbole, your attitude is why fascist regimes gain traction with the masses

"sure [insert legislation] is a voilation of constitutionally protected civil rights, but how does it affect me, personally, this very minute? oh, it doesnt. probably just affects the "bad guys", just like [insert dictator] says it will. then who cares?, pass the booze"

maybe you're the one who should be saying "b-bye" to this country; as you seem to be indifferent to individual rights. and not just on this issue, either.

bill just passed, so how could a particular citizen's rights have been abused yet?


I don't know how to start (given the history of the national discussion on the topic). Why are you outraged, then?

Did you read the legislation? What part makes you think we've lost 4th Amendment rights?

"glenn, and i mean this without hyperbole, your attitude is why fascist regimes gain traction with the masses"




Then get your ass down to the White House with your sandwich board or do open protest in Times Square if your so f'ing concerned.



I'll wait for someone to sue and it get tested by the Supreme Court, as the CONSTITUTION provides for.

I'll wait for someone to sue and it get tested by the Supreme Court, as the CONSTITUTION provides for.

not a terrible answer. SCOTUS can't rule on legislation til someone brings a claim.

And the ACLU is already bitching so you can probably bank on it happening.



I am busy planning the Rumple Hall Putsch.

Obama and his new plan to help the immigration issue..."Instead of worrying about whether immigrants can learn English, they will learn English. You need to make sure your child can speak Spanish."

Obama is a fucking Marxist

Just funny, not an attack:

"In a statement criticizing Obama’s positions on the Iranian Revolutionary Guard, the organization claiming credit for the missile launches, McCain wrote, “This is the same organization that I voted to condemn as a terrorist organization when an amendment was on the floor of the United States Senate. Senator Obama refused to vote.”

The problem with the critique? McCain also missed that vote on the Kyl-Lieberman amendment on September 26, 2007. Records show that Obama was in New Hampshire and McCain was in New York instead of being in the Senate chamber for the vote in question."
linc

What is even scarier is that the fools in the crowd clapped when he said it. This country is full of communists.

FD,
It's ok, he's old, he just forgot. Whenever McCain missteps or misspeaks, he should just address the crowd, chuckle and chalk it up to a senior moment. No harm, No foul....

"Instead of worrying about whether immigrants can learn English, they will learn English. You need to make sure your child can speak Spanish."

That's more irritating news. If he said we should all learn Chinese it would at least make sense.

Anyone see the totally awkward moment when McCain was questioned why Viagra is available through health insurance but birth control is not?

It was the most uncomfortable thing I've seen from a politician in my lifetime.

He never looks comfortable when he speaks, it's like someone's got their hand crammed up his ass or something. Those forced laughs and smiles of his are hilarious. I'm just waiting for day when that famous temper of his comes out in a debate and he starts going ballistic on Barry or the moderator about something.

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