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Jules_Jr
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7/11/2008 7:04 PM
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NC,
Net neutrality basically is the preservation of the net as we know it today. Currently, ISP's provide you "access" with several bandwidth variables. That is for both end user and web page owners. As an end user of just page browsing, we are not directly affected. Where the problem arises is that websites will be charged for bandwidth and traffic they receive (consequently). The highest bandwidth provided will be on separate servers for the ESPNs, ABCs, CNNs of the world. Whereas, sites like this one would be relegated onto lower bandwidth servers. Meaning, it would be difficult for the site to afford the higher bandwidth servers. That means that you and I will wait longer for this page to load (even though OUR bandwidth is fine it isn't the bottleneck). If too many log onto the page, it'll crash the server. Currently, there are no separate servers for such things. The ISPs share all access onto all their servers. If net neutrality is violated, then, smaller but informative sites (like this one) would have trouble affording reasonable access. If you had to wait for this page to open like you were on a 56k modem, you might not visit as often. Other even smaller sites (like personal or limited blogs) would shut down altogether.
The beauty of the net is that we can gain knowledge rapidly from numerous sites. When I read about the battle of thermopylae from a Stanford prof's personal site, I can learn more than having to purchase an account for an encyclopedia for free. I can learn about any orthopedic procedure for free. I can learn about just anything for free mostly. For me, the net has provided me excellent resources on finances, history, sports, etc. I don't watch TV often, I don't read the papers anymore, etc. 30 minutes of time on the net and I get updated on most news. Alot of that will be compromised, because the distribution of information will be regulated by money.
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Fred_Barnett
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7/11/2008 8:18 PM
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When I read about the battle of thermopylae from a Stanford prof's personal site, I can learn more than having to purchase an account for an encyclopedia for free.
And I can learn what Bree Olsen's likes and dislikes are
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NCSaintsFan
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7/11/2008 11:16 PM
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Jules,
What are the disadvantages to net neutrality?
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uber1024
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7/12/2008 10:35 AM
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Jules,
What are the disadvantages to net neutrality?
Less revenue for major internet providers (such as Comcast).
This is a clearcut case of an attempt to privatize something that's in the public domain, that being the free and open nature of the internet.
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Fred_Barnett
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7/12/2008 12:50 PM
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the free and open nature of the internet.
HEY UBER?
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uber1024
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7/12/2008 1:30 PM
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Yes?
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Fred_Barnett
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7/12/2008 1:45 PM
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Nuthin
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Fred_Barnett
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7/12/2008 1:48 PM
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Sorry to have wasted your time with that
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Fred_Barnett
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7/12/2008 7:41 PM
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Defending the vote linc
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BMA
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7/12/2008 11:15 PM
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All tied up.
http://rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/daily_presidential_tracking_poll
Just thought I'd pass that along to our buddy Freddie since elections are won in the summer.
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Fred_Barnett
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7/13/2008 12:48 AM
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How cute you are
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BMA
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7/13/2008 10:33 AM
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Jules_Jr
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7/13/2008 11:59 AM
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NC,
IMO, there are NO disadvantages to net neutrality to myself or the overwhelming majority. The ISPs may gripe about making more money, and I wouldn't care about that normally, but I do care that it would alter the true value of the net....freedom of information (and, of course, porn).
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f-dallas
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7/14/2008 8:45 AM
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Barry continues to duck McCain in Town Halls.
Yo, click it
Shocking. Obama doesn't want to have an open, town hall debate against a repulican candidate in front of 6,000 republicans?
More proof his decision making skills are fine.
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NCSaintsFan
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7/14/2008 9:31 AM
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He's scared of appearing before voters? Or just ones that won't give him softball questions?
Seriously, how mentally tough is this guy?
It's not a matter of prepared vs. extemporaneous remarks. He's already backtracked on carefully planned speeches, calling it imperfect phrasing or such (thinking of AIPAC and his quick retreat, but there are more examples). He wants to be president, but doesn't want to face voters that might disagree with him.
Say what you want about McCain, he'll face the opposition.
Only one person seems likely to get me to vote for McCain and that's Obama.
Regarding net neutrality, I appreciate the input. I think, though, there might be a legitimate argument made for certain legislation. It's a hunch, because if something is a perfect good (i.e. no disadvantages) I can't see why Congress would vote it down. Obama's in the pocket of Comcast now? Or just following order? I haven't researched it enough to form a solid opinion on net neutrality. If I have time, I'll look into it.
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f-dallas
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7/14/2008 9:39 AM
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He's scared of appearing before voters? Or just ones that won't give him softball questions?
Seriously, how mentally tough is this guy?
He'd be walking into a debate setup by the Republican campaign and filled with (I'd guess) 99% republican military.
What's the upside for him? He'd have to be an idiot to do it, right?
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7/14/2008 9:41 AM
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quick passage pulled from wiki on the disadvantages of net neutrality. i am only the messenger:
"Critics believe that net neutrality rules would reduce incentives to upgrade networks and launch next generation network services.[7] Others argue that discrimination of some kinds, particularly to guarantee "Quality of Service," is not problematic, but highly desirable. Bob Kahn, Internet Protocol's co-inventor, has called the term "net neutrality" a slogan, and states that he opposes establishing it, warning that "nothing interesting can happen inside the net" if it passes: "If the goal is to encourage people to build new capabilities, then the party that takes the lead in building that new capability, is probably only going to have it on their net to start with and it is probably not going to be on anybody else's net."
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NCSaintsFan
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7/14/2008 9:58 AM
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f-d,
Fair enough. He should avoid taking questions from the types of people or families of those he will command if he becomes president. He can get a list of their concerns from one of his staff members or maybe the internet. I'm sure that's the type of president you've been looking for.
Profile in courage.
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BMA
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7/14/2008 10:00 AM
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What about the other Town Halls he ducked? It was real nice of Barry to propose one on July 4th when no one would have been watching TV anyway.
He's going to get trounced in these debates, it will be high comedy watching him stammer around questions without his teleprompter and fidget on stage because he hasn't had a cigarette in a few hours.
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f-dallas
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7/14/2008 10:03 AM
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f-d,
Fair enough. He should avoid taking questions from the types of people or families of those he will command if he becomes president. He can get a list of their concerns from one of his staff members or maybe the internet. I'm sure that's the type of president you've been looking for.
Profile in courage.
Be honest. If you were charged with the job of advising Obama and your only goal was to get him elected as President, you'd recommend he walk into McCain's wheelhouse and get battered for a few hours on national television?
No lies here. You'd mnake that recommendation as his campaign manager?
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7/14/2008 10:06 AM
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BMA
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He's going to get trounced in these debates, it will be high comedy watching him stammer around questions without his teleprompter and fidget on stage because he hasn't had a cigarette in a few hours.
He'll be fine.... All they have to do is slap a nicotine patch on his arm about an hour before the debate.
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f-dallas
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What about the other Town Halls he ducked? It was real nice of Barry to propose one on July 4th when no one would have been watching TV anyway.
He's going to get trounced in these debates, it will be high comedy watching him stammer around questions without his teleprompter and fidget on stage because he hasn't had a cigarette in a few hours.
The election is a few months away, they haven't even chosen VPs yet, and they haven't even been officially nominated by their party yet.
Why, exactly, would the guy who's winning cowtow to the grandstanading underdog at this point in the race?
It's the equivalent to an NFL QB purposing throwing an INT in the 4th quarter when he's up by 6 points so he can "give the other team one last shot" or a closer throwing 12 straight fastballs down the middle o the plater to "give the hitter a fair shot".
It's retarded.
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BMA
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7/14/2008 10:07 AM
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LOL, good point, section.
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BMA
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7/14/2008 10:30 AM
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You might want to look at the current reputable polls because it's a dead heat, which speaks volumes against Barry. He should be holding a double digit lead at this point and he's in a dead with with an old badger who's campaign strategy has yet to come into focus.
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f-dallas
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You might want to look at the current reputable polls because it's a dead heat, which speaks volumes against Barry. He should be holding a double digit lead at this point and he's in a dead with with an old badger who's campaign strategy has yet to come into focus.
The polls I've seen show him with a 3 to 6 point lead. There is a statistcal variance that leads to what you could effectively call a "dead heat" but could just as easily be a LARGER lead.
The point is:
- I haven't seen a single poll that gives McCain the edge (currently).
- What is the upside for Obama walking into an ambush?
I've said again and again that I still don't know if Obama can actually win. I've also been vocal about things I don't like about him. Finally, I've said I essentially do not care if McCain wins.
This is flat-out common sense, not some kind of partisan opinion.
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