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NC, Presidential elections are decided in the summer.

He is losing. Just the facts.

Wasn't that a Republican sponsored event with La Raza? Isn't Obama also meeting with La Raza?

I don't have many problems with McCain, but I'm not going to give him a medal for answering questions from a group of people he invited and desperately needs in order to have a shot at winning.

Wowzers. Okay, f-d.

The Republican candidate is looking to make inroads in traditionally Democratic voting blocks and the Democratic candidate is avoiding traditionally Republican voting blocks.

Let me tell you about the tortoise and the hare...

Wowzers. Okay, f-d.

The Republican candidate is looking to make inroads in traditionally Democratic voting blocks and the Democratic candidate is avoiding traditionally Republican voting blocks.

I wouldn't say either of those statements is really that accurate. In the last election, the Hispanic vote was essentially split. I think people still assume that the hispanic base is poor and democrat, but the reality is they are an extremely conservative culture. The very conservative will vote Republican and the successful will most likely vote Republican. If you want to look at the last election, the Democrats only got about 53% of the Hispanic vote.

Second, All Obama has done over the the past month or two is try to secure Hillary voters and go after swing votes. He's met with the Latino community several times, been hitting up swing states, talkign more and more about faith, and he's been moving toward the right in an attempt to grab those votes in the middle.

Remember, we're just talking facts here and they are still just getting started.

Other than the last election, when the Republican cut into historically Democratic voting blocks, how has the Hispanic vote fallen? Let's look at the facts.

http://faculty.washington.edu/mbarreto/papers/2004vote.pdf

f-d,
The Republicans targeted traditionally Democratic voters in 00, 04 and 08.

Perhaps you and Obama are right. I just see more and more similarities between the 04 strategy and the current one.

The Democratic Party is running a senator with no real record to boast about or deconstruct and is relying on big money donors, the media, and traiditional voting blocks to get him elected. All the while, he is caught condescending to the average American and "redefining" a position he took just months prior to reflect current polls or the crowd in front of him.

If Obama loses, the Democrats don't need to close up shop. They just need to stop running the same campaigns and the same candidates.

Perhaps you and Obama are right. I just see more and more similarities between the 04 strategy and the current one.

The Democratic Party is running a senator with no real record to boast about or deconstruct and is relying on big money donors, the media, and traiditional voting blocks to get him elected. All the while, he is caught condescending to the average American and "redefining" a position he took just months prior to reflect current polls or the crowd in front of him.

Well, he's a much more popular candidate and he has more juice than any political candidate since at least Bill Clinton. That's one major (huge, massive) difference between this campaign and the last couple.

As far as traditional voting blocks, who do you propose he should go after (people is isn't already targeting)?

On the last point (condescending and flip-flopping), I don't even know where to begin. Everyone (every candidate in my lifetime and many before) switches gears at this point in the election. McCain has done it at a rate about 3-4 times Obama has in this particular election, for instance. These are the politics of Presidential elections. Condescending? I think only retards get the feeling they are being talked down to by him. Retards generally vote Republican anyway.

The biggest mistake both candidates are making right now is going after these swing voters at the expense of everything else. The single biggest mistake Obama is making is sticking to his liberal guns on energy.

I would be thrilled, ecstatic, and comforted if either one of these candidates would attack energy and the economy head on. I'm not talking about platitudes. I'm talking about a real plan with target timelines and goals. I'd say the majority of the country is thinking about the economy firth and foremost while McCain takes questions from hostile Mexicans and Obama talks about expanding faith-based government charities.

It makes my face hurt.

If Obama loses, the Democrats don't need to close up shop. They just need to stop running the same campaigns and the same candidates.

I really think they do need to quit if they lose. Give someone else a chance because they are massive failures.

An outgoing President with a 20ish% approval rating, an unpopular war, a tanking economy, and a Republican candidate who is 146 years old/less exciting than cold oatmeal.

You lose against that, you lose your right to ever try again. Shameful.

Let me guess, you're not worked up, right?


Looks like we've found KB's replacement.

I'm really "not worked up".

I think the Republicans are great at running/winning elections and I think Democrats are pretty poor at it.

I also feel like there have to be tons and tons of people out there who don't really feel represented by either party. I count myself among those people.

If folks that vote Repub are "retards" what would you call those that vote Dem?

If folks that vote Repub are "retards" what would you call those that vote Dem?

I didn't say people who vote Republican are retards. I said people who think Obama is "talking down to them" are retards and most retards vote Republican anyway.

I disagree either way.

Why do Obama and others keep having to give speeches about common sense responsibilities to the same folks who continue to vote for Dems? I'd call them the retards, but that's just me.

I disagree either way.

Shocker.

I'm on a real hate binge with Obama. Too much bitch surfacing.

As for the race, if the Democrats lose, they deserve to scrap the entire party. To have EVERY advantage and lose is inexcusable. Moreover, CNN Gallup poll says 47-45% trust McCain to handle Iraq better than Obama. So much for "voting correctly the first time" and what it means for voters or what it says for him.

FISA sunk his ass for me. He was very clear about accountability for any law violations by telecomm companies and reversed it outright. Sorry, Obammy, gotta "get it right the first time".

Jules, to have all those advantages and currently be locked in a statistical dead heat is a joke. Barry should be up 15 points.

BMA, when ur right, ur right. However, I think 15 is a little unrealistic given there are staunch repubs who would never vote for him, people who'd not vote for a black guy or people who think he was sworn in on the Koran (25% by a recent poll). He should have a 7-10 point lead.

Truth of the matter is that our election process is a mockery of what the country needs. I'm going to vote my pocket book, since principles went out the window with Obama (his previous distinction). I'm all for giving me a break on the AMT. I could use the extra cash so I can keep up with NEAG's of the world.

There are many things people do not know about BARACK OBAMA. It is every American's duty to read this message and pass it along to all of their friends and loved ones.

Barack Obama wears a FLAG PIN at all times. Even in the shower.

Barack Obama says the PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE every time he sees an American flag. He also ends every sentence by saying, "WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL." Click here for video of Obama quietly mouthing the PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE in his sleep.

A tape exists of Michelle Obama saying the PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE at a conference on PATRIOTISM.

Every weekend, Barack and Michelle take their daughters HUNTING.

Barack Obama is a PATRIOTIC AMERICAN. He has one HAND over his HEART at all times. He occasionally switches when one arm gets tired, which is almost never because he is STRONG.

Barack Obama has the DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE tattooed on his stomach. It's upside-down, so he can read it while doing sit-ups.

There's only one artist on Barack Obama's iPod: FRANCIS SCOTT KEY.

Barack Obama is a DEVOUT CHRISTIAN. His favorite book is the BIBLE, which he has memorized. His name means HE WHO LOVES JESUS in the ancient language of Aramaic. He is PROUD that Jesus was an American.

Barack Obama goes to church every morning. He goes to church every afternoon. He goes to church every evening. He is IN CHURCH RIGHT NOW.

Barack Obama's new airplane includes a conference room, a kitchen, and a MEGACHURCH.

Barack Obama's skin is the color of AMERICAN SOIL.

Barack Obama buys AMERICAN STUFF. He owns a FORD, a BASEBALL TEAM, and a COMPUTER HE BUILT HIMSELF FROM AMERICAN PARTS. He travels mostly by FORKLIFT.

Barack Obama says that Americans cling to GUNS and RELIGION because they are AWESOME.

Barry's site removes his criticism of the surge in Iraq. Change we can believe in.
linc

"Campaign aide Wendy Morigi said Obama is ‘not softening his criticism of the surge. We regularly update the Web site to reflect changes in current events.’"


How is this any different than McCain changing his opinion on Bush's tax cuts or his opinion on offshore drilling?

I agree with what the Terminator said a couple days ago...why would we want anyone in office who refuses to change their positions regardless of new evidence?

It's one thing to change your position on something for no reason at all, but I definitely don't have a problem with people changing their minds or modifying their position as they learn new things or the situation changes.

"Sticking to your guns" regardless of how stupid your guns are is how we ended up with some of the messes we're currently in (including the Iraq War, which Obama was correctly against from jump street).

Good for Obama for recognizing the facts taht the Surge is working. His upcoming visit would've been a better time to officially change position, though. "With my own eyes, I saw change. Therefore, blah, blah, blah."

Kinda loses points for the whole "Soviet Union" style of cleansing past statements that no longer match current proclamations. Not enough points to matter, but why not let the comments stand since 1) they accurately reflected his opinion at the time and 2) it's not like Google doesn't cache stuff like this.

I swear to God that BMA is just freaking ridiculous.


And NCSF isn't all that far behind.

This "I voted against the war" stuff was Barry's calling card to be POTUS leading up to and during the primary. It's funny how he came to this new conclusion about the surge after he won the Democratic nomination.

Also, this quote below is why anyone with a few dollars in their pocket should be scared of this guy:

"Speaking to reporters recently, the Illinois senator complained that the United States has developed a "winner take all" economy in which profits from economic success have largely benefited the wealthy and left the middle class and poor behind. He told The Wall Street Journal that "globalization, technology and automation all weaken the position of workers" and argued that the government needs to make sure the fruits of success are distributed in a more evenhanded manner."


Bush sucked but this guy will be an absolute nightmare for this country if he gets elected.


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ntff.

one time in a hundred, fred, but you nailed it.

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