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Jules,
You seem very confident in your source. Your source, however, is not held as credible in wide circles (read: among his own and cross partisan lines).

Believe the history presented to you and sleep well at night, but he's giving you a thin slice of a extremely complicated issue and one that pre-suits a desired worldview of many.

All the bad is a direct result of Bush policy. Any of the good is simply coincidental/non-consequential.

Nice to see Barry canceled a visit with wounded troops since he couldn't make a dog and pony show photo op out of it.

OMG BARRY HATE TRPS SRSLY!

Not saying he hates the troops but it shows what's important to him...himself.

SRSLY

F-d, BMA isn't there yet.

Has to work on his game a bit

If you think Obama's "Euro Trip" was anything more than to serve his own ego, you're a moron!

Just because he missed an opportunity to meet wounded troops does not make him a bad guy who hates the troops, but if he doesn't get the "photo op" that he want's it's not worth it to him.

His speech in Berlin is laughable and only shows the only important issue in Obama's campaign, is how to feed his own ego. What a brave man to get up and steal other great leaders footsteps and kiss the ass of those who are anti-war. Wow, what a fucking stretch.

While McCain is not the speaker or spot light grabber like Obama, he is at least a man who is not an ABSOLUTE phony. Obama will be loved in Europe, because he will be there whipping boy. It's more important for Obama to look good, than doing good.

I'm not confident of anything. He presented a timeline. Sources. Etc. I just think that the increased troop levels coincided with the trajectory that was already in progress. Originally, I thought most of the Awakening council process started after the surge but its function was largely independent of the troop levels as I mentioned.

I'm not sure why I wouldn't sleep comfortably at night knowing that a general did something to stem the tide of chaos through his actions not through the number of boots on the ground. Should I be concerned about that? My sources are multi-fold and HIS sources are numerous. There ISN'T a single person that argues that temporally the degree of violence has improved as timed with the surge. I think there is plenty to suggest that the actions taken and the demographic considerations mentioned are very plausible reasons. Do you think it was the boots on the ground that did it?

His speech was actually very good, IMS. I do agree it felt narcissitic to me (for his reason to deliver it), but its contents and its delivery were pretty good. Was he very cognizant of the photo-op and implications of where it took place? Of course. I've rocked back and forth on him, and he does seem to now believe his own hype.

and he does seem to now believe his own hype.


Please elaborate, Jules.

"and he does seem to now believe his own hype."

And who wouldn't after 7+ months of the media blowing smoke up their ass.

I will probably vote for him (mostly because I think Johhny Mac sold his credibility over the last 7½ years), but I do find myself liking him less and less.

You have to admit, though, the Lad is a monumentally gifted speaker. Up there with the best (Churchill, Hitler, King, etc).

FB,

This is my opinion only. Not based on any facts or "knowing" the man. He seemed more genuine. Now he's doing what he has to do to win. Catering to everyone. Just has a different feel to it.

Its really tragic that these are our two choices. I think FISA really soured me on Obama. He was adamant that he'd hold the telecom companies toes to the fire. He did not equivocate. Then like a cardhouse...he folded. Before that, he voted against net neutrality. I couldn't give a shit about his pastor, what his wife said or his comments in Pa. Those other, substantive issues left me wondering. Now, he's smitten by the image in the mirror.

He can give a stirring speech.

Jules- your thoughts on his vs. McCain's possibilities on foreign relations

Jules- your thoughts on his vs. McCain's possibilities on foreign relations

I know you asked Jules, but it is the concourse...

I think Obama will have a better foreign relationship than the previous administration, but I think he would do it at the expense of what best for this country. He is so concerned about his European image, that he would be there whipping boy, not a strong decision maker.

The best parts of what Europe has to offer, is at the heart available here, but over shadowed by the filth and violence that surrounds it. Just imagine Philly, with a low crime rate and citizens who gave shit about what the front of there house and street looked like.

"I think Obama will have a better foreign relationship than the previous administration"

I think a reincarnation of Attila the Hun would have a better Q rating than W & Cheney.

You have no idea, none, of how much Europeans hate this Administration. When I got here in '05, they were already starting to ask "who's next?". They want to see the back of W so bad they can taste it. They believe that when he leaves, the EU economy will be able to rebound back to pre 9-11/Iraq war stability.

It's not just Europeans, fagel

I'm uncertain of his foreign policy. He publically appears to harden his stance. Juan Cole (NCSF's antagonist) had an article about his mis-steps in discussing what is going on in Pakistan.

Basically, I think genuinely attempting to find diplomatic solutions is appropriate. McCain's rhetoric and threats to Iran are more hurtful than helpful. All that does is fuel speculators to gouge us with even higher oil prices. Clearly, as a statesman (whether you agree with him or not) he's very polished. That would help our lousy image abroad and help re-establish our influence on the world stage. Gotta say, reading about the EU with 27 member countries and an aggregate economy that is roughly 3 times our sizes GDP worries me.

Most of what the EU wants right now from the US economy is a stronger dollar. If the dollar gets to about equal with the Euro, the following happens;

- oil prices will drop
- EU exports will increase
- current orders will worth more
- tourism will increase

I had a weird dream last night.


I was part of the Secret Service detail charged with protecting Obama, and there was an attempt on his life. I saw the guy pull the gun out, I can distinctly remember the flash of steel in the sunlight, and I (like an idiot) jumped in front of Obama and got shot. Then I remember looking up and seeing people walking by like nothing had happened.

What does this mean?

You have a crush on Obama

Edwards caught with his baby momma...

I know it's the National Enquirer, but this has been well know and talked about in Edward's back yard.

If true, can he really be Obama's VP? I wold say no, but then again most liberals would find this to be a character issue....

"The Beverly Hilton Hotel guard said he encountered a shaken and ashen-faced Edwards — whom he did not immediately recognize — in a hotel men's room early Tuesday morning in a literal tug-of-war with reporters on the other side of the door.

"What are they saying about me?" the guard said Edwards asked.

"His face just went totally white," the guard said, when Edwards was told the reporters were shouting out questions about Edwards and Rielle Hunter, a woman the National Enquirer says is the mother of his child.

The guard said he escorted Edwards, who was not a registered guest at the hotel, out of the building after 2 a.m. Edwards did not say anything while he was escorted out, said the guard, adding that at times the reporters on the scene were "rough on him," sticking a camera in his face and shouting questions.

The guard did not recognize Edwards at the time of the incident, but said he concluded it was the 2008 presidential hopeful after hearing reports about the incident and finding an Enquirer reporter's notebook at the scene.

The guard said during the chase the reporters had dropped the notebook, which he picked up. "This book has everything in it on him," he said, referring to Edwards. The guard later confirmed Edwards' identity after being shown a photograph.

A former campaign staffer, speaking on condition of anonymity, told FOXNews.com he wishes he were "more surprised" to hear reports Edwards was visiting Hunter. "I'm definitely upset by it. I wish I was more surprised, though."

Edwards this week has repeatedly refused to comment on the Enquirer report. Asked about it on Thursday at an event in New Orleans, he said: "I have no idea what you're asking about. I've responded, consistently, to these tabloid allegations by saying I don't respond to these lies and you know that ... and I stand by that."

Edwards spokesmen did not respond to repeated calls by FOXNews.com to respond to this story.

Beverly Hills Police Sgt. Michael Publicker, meanwhile, confirmed Friday that an incident report was filed with the department by two of the tabloid's reporters. Publicker said that contrary to a published report, a "criminal complaint" was not filed and there are no charges pending.

"It will be looked into," Publicker said, refusing to say whether Edwards would be contacted as part of a formal investigation. "We're not going to comment on the investigation," he said.

Police department spokesman Tony Lee said Publicker told him that Edwards was not named on the incident report.

Enquirer Editor-in-Chief David Perel told FOXNews.com his reporters caught Edwards visiting Hunter and her baby at the hotel earlier Monday evening. Perel said Hunter and Edwards have been occasionally getting together so Edwards can see the baby. Hunter came to Beverly Hills with a male friend, Bob McGovern, said Perel. Hunter and her companion reportedly booked two rooms under McGovern's name, and McGovern picked up Edwards to bring him back to the hotel.

Perel said Enquirer staff had been given information about the planned Edwards-Hunter meeting, and the tabloid sent reporters to the hotel in anticipation of Edwards' arrival. According to the Enquirer, Edwards was first spotted being dropped off at the hotel at 9:45 p.m. PT, about 25 minutes after reporters watched McGovern leave the building in his BMW.

Edwards went to Hunter's room and the two left the hotel together and returned 45 minutes later, Perel said. Edwards reportedly entered her room and stayed there until after 2:30 a.m. PT.

FOXNews.com could not independently confirm the Enquirer's allegations. Perel also declined to identify where the Enquirer received the information about Edwards' alleged visits.

Perel told FOXNews.com that after leaving Hunter's room, Edwards took an elevator to the basement, where he was confronted by two Enquirer reporters. He ran into the bathroom, where he remained until the security guard arrived.

The Enquirer says it has videotape showing Hunter entering the room where she met Edwards, and shows Edwards leaving the same room. However, the Enquirer has thus far declined repeated requests by FOXNews.com to release any photographs or videotape evidence of the incident.

Lynda Simonetti, director of public relations at the Beverly Hilton, refused to comment on the guard's version of the incident, citing the hotel's privacy policy.

"We value the privacy of all the guests," Simonetti told FOXNews.com, adding, "The non-disclosure policy applies to the requests of the names, whether it's past, current or anticipated guests... That's our policy."

Simonetti said she had "no knowledge" of the incident report filed by the two Enquirer reporters, and "I don't have any knowledge of any other circumstances."

As recently as last month, individuals vetting vice presidential candidates for Barack Obama had listed Edwards as a potential running mate. Edwards was viewed as a candidate who could help Obama appeal to white, working-class voters who had favored Hillary Clinton in the primaries.

Edwards, who was John Kerry's running mate in 2004, endorsed Obama in May, saying the presumptive presidential nominee held the same views he did about uniting a divided America.

Before and during the Democratic primaries, Edwards urged all candidates to boycott planned debates on FOX News, even though he had made prior appearances on the channel. One of those debates was to be sponsored by the Congressional Black Caucus.

Last October, the Enquirer reported that several sources said a former campaign worker on Edwards' campaign had been having an affair with the former North Carolina senator. In an e-mail allegedly written by Hunter to a friend, she wrote that she is "in love with John," but it's "difficult because he is married and has kids."

Edwards' wife Elizabeth, whom many have credited as being one of the driving forces behind Edwards' campaign, announced in March that her breast cancer had re-emerged after going into remission following a 2004 diagnosis.

Hunter has said that the father of her child is former Edwards campaign official Andrew Young. The 41-year-old married father of three has also said he is the father.

I have an issue with YOUR character, IMS.


Specifically, you posting this crap in this thread.



Who cares where Edwards goes at night? And who's baby it is?


I think I speak for 98% of the Level when I say- "This has nothing to do with anything"

It's newsworthy in this thread because Edwards is likely to get a cabinet position under a Barry administration, possibly even Attorney General.

JACKASSES:

It's the National Enquirer.



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That's not a rag that you can say "I know it's the NE, but..."

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