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Fred_Barnett
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7/31/2008 4:47 PM
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Awesome!
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BMA
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7/31/2008 6:13 PM
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The old badger takes off the gloves. Good on them for finally calling out Barry's subtle race card playing. Yo, click it
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BMA
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7/31/2008 6:19 PM
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If the National Enquirer's story is bogus, why does Edwards keep ducking reporters?
A simple "It's a load of crap and my lawyers are taking care of it" would take care of it, if in fact he's not lying. linc
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7/31/2008 6:43 PM
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This is more laughable than any of the ads that have been run so far. linc
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IggleMovedSouth
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7/31/2008 6:55 PM
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It's not all about off shore drilling. It is about an energy crisis.
Obama is just wrong on his unwillingness to engage in talks about building Nuclear power. Many European countries get majority of energy from Nuclear power. France gets 75% of it's energy Nuclear Power.
Obama also said it would be twenty years before off shore drilling would impact our energy needs. That is bull shit. Oil can be introduced into our energy source in as little as TWO years.
We need to find ways to make Coal burning, more clean, more efficient. It is our equal Arabian energy source.
Now, if some hippie wants to run his car on left over grease from a Chinese deep fryer, more power to him.
It's all about getting away from depending on the middle east energy. Let China deal with the wackos.
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8/1/2008 5:49 AM
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Just make sure to keep your tires inflated!
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Jules_Jr
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8/1/2008 6:21 AM
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Obama mentioned nuclear energy during his most recent speeches for alternative energy sources (along with solar, wind, hydro, and coal).
Why do you say he is against, IMS?
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Fred_Barnett
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8/1/2008 6:21 AM
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Jules_Jr
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8/1/2008 6:30 AM
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Obama also said it would be twenty years before off shore drilling would impact our energy needs. That is bull shit. Oil can be introduced into our energy source in as little as TWO years.
The point he was making is that by the time you can extract efficiently and safely, set up rapid transport, etc will take time.
I have soured on Obama for many reasons, but this continued irrational dislike of him seems really bizaare to me.
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IggleMovedSouth
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8/1/2008 8:11 AM
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Jules,
He has, for a long time, been against it.
On June 24, Obama opposed the building of new nuclear power plants.
He mentions Nuclear power as "is in the mix" because WE ALREADY have it, in the mix. Big difference, between going with what is already there, and building more as an additional energy source.
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SeeZakRun
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8/1/2008 8:38 AM
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I can't wait to fill up my car with nuclear.
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f-dallas
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8/1/2008 9:00 AM
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It's probably not all that unrealistic (filling a car up with "nuclear") betond the terrorism fears.
Obama mentioned nuclear energy during his most recent speeches for alternative energy sources (along with solar, wind, hydro, and coal).
Why do you say he is against, IMS?
In my estimation, Obama has a decidedly negative view of nuclear energy. He barely mentions it in his energy plan and every time he does talk about it, it's ultra-qualified statements like "we have to look into everything" and "I'd be interested in investgating further, if we can safely store the waste".
Yucca mountain, according to the scientists, is a perfectly safe place to store spent fuel rods, but Obama is one of the crazy assholes who thinks it isn't, which causes a huge problem.
The thing I like about McCain's energy policy is he is coming right out and giving goals for new nuclear facilities.
I honestly can't imagine an energy plan that isn't completely based on nuclear power, the cheapest, safest, cleanest, and most reliable power source known to man.
Don't get me wrong...everything else is great, but it's got to be built on nuclear power.
I love the wind power people. For anyone who likes wind power, good luck. The wind sometimes stops for days and those huge fans are loud as fuck. If someone tried to put one of those things within 20 miles of my house, I'd move. Geting woken up in the middle of the night every time the win pick up? Yerah...no thanks. I'll take my chances with a reactor meltdown.
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Buddy Ryan in 2008
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8/1/2008 9:47 AM
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IMS:
So some countries (not all that many--for every France there's a Germany) in Europe use nuclear. Now you want Obama to follow Europe's lead? How things change in two weeks.
FD, I don't think your claims about the noise of viability of wind power are true (anymore). They now say a wind turbine is no louder than a fridge when 750 to 1000 yards away.
The Economist did a fantastic pull-out about energy a few months ago. Really a must read to inform any such conversations. Note for those who follow the link: there are multiple articles, not just one.
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NotoriousEAG
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8/1/2008 10:17 AM
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I can't wait to fill up my car with nuclear.
Make sure it's fast enough to outrun a Volkswagon full of Libyans
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flesh4fantasy
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8/1/2008 10:31 AM
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nicely done, eag.
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NCSaintsFan
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8/1/2008 10:33 AM
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So, rather than allow offshore drilling, which costs the government nothing and provides a way for oil companies to invest millions into our economy, the plan is to just cut us all checks and send the bill to "Big Oil."
I can't see the oil companies passing along their tax to the consumer. Busniesses just absorb higher costs of operation and never pass along the cost to the consumer.
Good grief.
Lifting the ban costs the government nothing.
It allows oil companies to pour money back into infrastructure within our borders (yeah, in teh ocean, but you know what I mean).
It will reduce our dependence on foreign oil and foreign powers and will decrease the influence of the thugocracies that sit on oil.
It will reduce the price of energy.
Cutting a check for $1,000 and sending the bill to energy companies does nothing to reduce our dependence, increase the supply, reduce demand, marginalize the Saudis, or lower energy costs.
Hussein has got to get on top of the energy issue with an effective plan. He needs better energy advisors than the ones he has. We know he doesn't have the experience to understand the energy market, but his current proposal is embarrassingly shallow.
On the other side, Sydney's talking up Obama's celebrity status. Big whoop. Sounds more like jealousy, considering how much he mugged for cameras the last eight years.
Obama has got to hammer McCain on illegal immigration and his tax wishy-washiness. Why? Because it can split him from his base.
McCain has to hammer Obama's inexperience and lack of energy policy. The inexperience is what will swing the middle ground voters and the energy issue will force Obama to disappoint more of his base or will put him on the far outside of the issue in America's eyes. click here
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IggleMovedSouth
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8/1/2008 11:14 AM
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"IMS:
So some countries (not all that many--for every France there's a Germany) in Europe use nuclear. Now you want Obama to follow Europe's lead? How things change in two weeks."
I hardly want Obama to make this the US of Europe, but you must admit even some of the most liberal countries in the world are not naive to ways of the efficiency of nuclear power. I'm not saying it is the end all of problems, but it will help us a lot.
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Buddy Ryan in 2008
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8/1/2008 12:01 PM
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IMS: I think we're all with you -- nuclear is the way to go. End of discussion.
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BMA
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8/1/2008 12:02 PM
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NCSaint...are you really suprised by Barry's latest idea? It's pure socialism.
I hope Microsoft's profit margins don't get any higher or Barry will want Microsoft to send out checks so every mope can afford the latest operating system.
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Dino727
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8/1/2008 12:14 PM
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Agree (and have said here previously) that Obama is wrong on Nuclear.
However...
The federal government's estimate is that if the moratorium on offshore drilling were lifted today, it would be 2030 before we'd see a noticeable effect on supply and prices.
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GlennGoBlue
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8/1/2008 12:24 PM
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WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
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NCSaintsFan
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8/1/2008 1:41 PM
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Leasing would begin no sooner than 2012, and production would not be expected to start before 2017.
Well, ten years is the estimate for how long it would take.
But I think, like many, I'm not looking to put it all on one source. As I've said, attack this issue from multiple sides, not just drilling, not just conservation, not just nuclear, not just alternative-future energy.
Had we opened the OCS years prior, and the small area of ANWR suited for oil recovery, what position would we be in now?
As an aside, the government estimate does have a limiting factor. It is based on known oil reserves and doesn't account for future exploration or changes in original esitimates. If "Big Oil" didn't see it as viable and a money maker/long term venture, why are they pushing it? They want to spend tens of millions or more just to lose money? Sound like them?
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Dino727
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8/1/2008 2:09 PM
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FWIW - I'm not against the drilling at all - think it should be left up to the states.
Let's just not continue the farce that some are pushing (new oil in a few years.)
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Dino727
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8/1/2008 5:00 PM
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8/1/2008 5:58 PM
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These ads worked on two levels. The Paris/Spears one was was the most viewed video on youtube and got a bunch of cable tv coverage. The second way it worked was it got Barry to respond, if the ad was nothing he wouldnt have responded, and he stepped in shit when he did so.
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