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8/19/2008 12:55 PM
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f-dallas
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8/19/2008 1:11 PM
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Gee, BMA. SHOCKING they would have that opinion. SHOCKING.
With unbiased commentary like:
To any honest observer, the differences between John McCain and Barack Obama have been evident all along. What we saw last weekend was Obama's shallowness juxtaposed with McCain's depth, the product of his extraordinary life experience.
Come on...you're not one of those people who believes something holds water if if you find it on the internet, are you?
Keep watching your Fox News. Anyone who watches that or listens to their radio personalities is guaranteed to get even dumber than they were when they decided it was a good idea to give it a shot in the first place.
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BMA
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8/19/2008 1:28 PM
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Can you refute the content of that editorial and stick up for Barry?
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f-dallas
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8/19/2008 1:47 PM
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Can you refute the content of that editorial and stick up for Barry?
Refute what? You can't be serious...
The guy all but called McCain "Dear Leader", thinks Obama is "shallow", thinks he "can't speak without a teleprompter" (which is code for "he's black", IMO), thinks "evil must be destroyed", and basically agree with everythign McCain was going to say before it was said, while disagreeing with eveything Obama was going to say before it was said.
You think that interrag piece of thrown together, predetermined crap is worth any discussion?
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BMA
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8/19/2008 3:36 PM
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Ah, the race card. Welcome to Team Barry, f-dallas.
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f-dallas
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8/19/2008 3:48 PM
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Not the race card, I just think it's a fact.
I also haven't heard or read anyone else saying it, so it's original thought from me (not the Obama camp) that I haven't even shared with them.
I just find it a little bit curious that the superior public speaker with a Harvard education is considered the inferior orator without this fabled teleprompter he's only had at his disposal over the last year or two at most.
I've seen Obama many times without a teleprompter and he's just a great speaker. That's probably his greatest strength as a politician.
Where does this idea that he's some kind of superficial moron who is the political version of Anchorman come from?
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8/19/2008 3:53 PM
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I think McCain was playing the race card when he said that Obama was a great athlete, but didn't know if he had the mental makeup to play the president position.
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f-dallas
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8/19/2008 3:58 PM
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NTFF!
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TheTalon
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8/19/2008 4:08 PM
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The Old Man's Technical Foul
The Old Scout
by Garrison Keillor
August 6, 2008
It's a simple, cheerful life but with occasional grim
complications that one simply ignores, such as
mortality or the Seventies or the demise of the
downtown department store. I love my downtown store, a
block from the old stone courthouse where Alvin
(Creepy) Karpis of the Ma Barker gang was tried for
kidnapping in 1936, near a fine old popcorn shop, just
down the street from a haberdashery where the other day
I got fitted for a seersucker suit and was shown how to
tie a bowtie. A great mystery, like the Trinity,
suddenly made clear. You don't get this sort of
instruction at a mall.
With a seersucker suit and a bowtie, I am equipped to
run for public office on the States' Rights ticket and
stand up for Our Way of Life and let's support our boys
fighting for Unconditional Victory in Korea - that's
what I associate with seersucker, a man perspiring
heavily and mopping his brow with Coca-Cola and crying
out against the gummint and pointy-heads who interfere
with Our Way of Life. A charlatan, in other words. My
daily uniform is black T-shirt and jeans, which, if you
saw me on the street and didn't know me, might lead you
to believe I speak French and love jazz. Non non non,
madame! Je suis un authentique Americain.
An American guy is capable of many costumes - Riverboat
Gambler, Sensitive Aesthete, Wilderness Scout, Lounge
Lizard, House Husband, Dangerous Radical and Scourge of
Society, Aging Preppie - and I've tried out most of
them, but as you enter your golden years, your interest
in masquerade naturally diminishes, and so it's
interesting to see America's Oldest Presidential
Candidate out on the hustings transforming himself into
a yahoo and a cracker. Whatever consultant told him to
do this is being paid way too much.
The political exploitation of wounded American soldiers
by John McCain and his eagerness to introduce race into
the race was yahoo behavior, but never mind - if you
lived through the Nixon years and then read the
transcripts of the tapes, you are not surprised by
anything in politics whatsoever. A bitter, paranoid man
of towering personal insecurity, Nixon talked like
Broderick Crawford and thereby beat a decorated war
hero, George McGovern, even as Nixon was directing an
American retreat and defeat in Vietnam that he (and
McCain) blamed on student protesters. And the famous
G-man J. Edgar Hoover was gay. He and his lover, Clyde
Tolson, brought Alvin Karpis to St. Paul for the trial.
So what? It's an amazing country.
It's an amazing country where an anthrax researcher
working for the Defense Department may have carried out
a murderous campaign with anthrax and thereby succeeded
in winning vast new appropriations for the anthrax
program.
And it's an amazing country where an Arizona
multimillionaire can attack a Chicago South Sider as an
elitist and hope to make it stick. The Chicagoan was
brought up by a single mom who had big ambitions for
him, and he got scholarshipped into Harvard Law and was
made president of the law review, all of it on his own
hook, whereas the Arizonan is the son of an admiral and
was ushered into Annapolis though an indifferent
student, much like the Current Occupant, both of them
men who are very lucky that their fathers were born
before they were. The Chicagoan, who grew up without a
father, wrote a book on his own, using a computer. The
Arizonan hired people to write his for him. But because
the Chicagoan can say what he thinks and make sense and
the Arizonan cannot do that for more than 30 seconds at
a time, the old guy is hoping to portray the skinny guy
as arrogant.
Good luck with that, sir.
Meanwhile, the casual revelation last month that McCain
has never figured out how to use a computer and has
never sent e-mail or Googled is rather startling. It's
like admitting that you've never clipped your own
toenails or that you didn't know that toothpaste comes
out of a tube because your valet always did that for
you. It's like being amazed at the sight of a
supermarket scanner. What world does McCain live in?
Where does he keep his sense of curiosity? My
94-year-old mother has sent e-mail. Does somebody plan
to show him how it's done and will they explain to him
what "LOL" means?
C 2008 by Garrison Keillor. All rights reserved.
Distributed by Tribune Media Services, INC.
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f-dallas
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8/19/2008 4:18 PM
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The computer thing really doesn't get mentioned enough.
I mean, seriously...he's VOTING and MAKING POLICY on things like net neutrality, censorship, identity theft, etc. etc., etc. and the retard can't even use a computer.
I guess it's just more funny than anything else, but jebus.
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8/19/2008 4:27 PM
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f-d, i don't think there is a race card being played by implying that BO is not capable of debating without a teleprompter. if anything, i think mccain supporters know that BO's strength is his intelligence and ability to speak, so they are trying to turn it on its head.
which is kind of ironic, considering republicans generally try to portray intelligence and "intellectualism" as a decidedly negative trait.
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TheTalon
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8/19/2008 4:28 PM
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Yeah, that's why I posted that piece.
How out of touch can McCain possibly be?
It's really unfathomable that an elected leader at any level in today's American society could be so computer illiterate and isn't even willing to investigate it. I mean, not to echo Keillor here, but even my grandmother asks me questions about how the Internet works. It's kind of a big thing in today's world.
I don't think McCain needs to watch High School Musical or Gossip Girl, but if he's going to be legislating on net-based commerce and other issues, he should really try flipping the on switch on that TRS-80.
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f-dallas
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8/19/2008 4:35 PM
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f-d, i don't think there is a race card being played by implying that BO is not capable of debating without a teleprompter. if anything, i think mccain supporters know that BO's strength is his intelligence and ability to speak, so they are trying to turn it on its head.
which is kind of ironic, considering republicans generally try to portray intelligence and "intellectualism" as a decidedly negative trait.
I don't disagree, I guess. I just find it curious that something so laughable is so easily accepted by a TON of people. I don't think it's overt racism, but I do think the Republican campaign knows exactly what they are doing and had an idea that it might not be such a tough sell to their base.
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NotoriousEAG
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8/19/2008 4:36 PM
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I bet Obama even knows how to post pics
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f-dallas
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8/19/2008 4:37 PM
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...and watch Gossip Girl.
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8/19/2008 4:38 PM
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I just find it curious that something so laughable is so easily accepted by a TON of people.
sadly, i'd think that after a million examples of this in general american discourse, the curiosity would have worn off.
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f-dallas
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8/19/2008 4:42 PM
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What can I say? I'm more of a "glass half smart" than a "glass half mentally disabled" kinda guy.
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BMA
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8/19/2008 4:47 PM
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I always thought "he's terrible without a teleprompter" meant "he's terrible without a teleprompter". Weird.
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f-dallas
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8/19/2008 4:49 PM
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Yeah, but since he clear isn't, it's "weird" so many people eat that bullshit up.
He's "great" with or without a teleprompter. That's why it's "weird".
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Dino727
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8/19/2008 5:44 PM
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I always thought "he's terrible without a teleprompter" meant "he's terrible without a teleprompter". Weird.
It hurts to find out your talking points just aren't true...
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flesh4fantasy
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8/19/2008 5:49 PM
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I always thought "he's terrible without a teleprompter" meant "he's terrible without a teleprompter". Weird.
but...he's not terrible without a teleprompter! he's a far better speaker than mccain whether you like him or not, and it ain't close. don't you get that? that's why people are looking for an ulterior motive to the comment.
but post another right-wing editorial. it totally makes you look intelligent, well-versed and objective.
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8/19/2008 6:01 PM
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In fairness to BMA, he wasn't the only Republican/McCain supporter/anti-Obama supporter to retail the notion that BO sucks without a teleprompter. I don't know how the hell they came up with that notion.
But it is clever that since he "sounds" smart that it probably is the result of his writers and the teleprompters. It shocks me to hear this BS since he wrote the entirety of his speech on race and racism after the whole Pastor Wright affair which was amazing and delivered with amazing oratory which the teleprompter can't make a person do. Just look at GWB....guy can't speak regardless of whatever assist devices are used.
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8/19/2008 6:05 PM
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jules, you say clever, i say pathetic and embarrassing. there is nothing clever about simply purporting obvious lies in an attempt to discredit someone.
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8/19/2008 6:35 PM
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BMA, you are losing this one.
If you were trying to argue that Barkley is an idiot, you'd have a lot more support.
But it's obvious to anyone with a brain that "The Constitutional Professor" is a better orator than "Old Saint Nick, the War Hero"
You're gonna hafta take a new tack
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8/19/2008 7:36 PM
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You guys have convinced me. Now that I think about it, a lot of blacks are actually quite good without a teleprompter.
In fact, if there was a strength of the black race, that would probably be it. Just look at all the successful black rappers and preachers there are.
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