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what in the hell are you talking about? even your sarcasm makes no sense.

by the way, anyone who counts "sinnerman" as one of his top five songs, as BO did, has my vote.

BMA playing the race card again- what a surprising development

You know what I'd like to see? Rather than networks trying to convince us of how candidates are perceived or whatever, there should be a law mandating that ALL media report factual information only, dispel bullshit myths (bad myths or good) and forcefully inform ALL citizens about the positions of the candidates.

Let it not be about the perception of a maverick or "hope" or whatever. It is a shame that stupidity and emotions play such a large role in the determination of how people vote. Everything possible should be done to accurately inform voters so that it isn't this stupid ass contest but rather an informed, educated decision for the determination of who the leader of the free world will be.

Forfuckssake.

You know what I'd like to see? Rather than networks trying to convince us of how candidates are perceived or whatever, there should be a law mandating that ALL media report factual information only, dispel bullshit myths (bad myths or good) and forcefully inform ALL citizens about the positions of the candidates.

We pretty much had that before Reagan.

So Reagan created Media bias and/or playing to an audience?

No. Reagan killed the Fairness Doctrine.

The Fairness Doctrine required equal time to both sides of a story (as I understood it). It did not require veracity or the correction of errors propogated by anyone (media, pundit, or, in this instance, the candidate).

What I mean is this:

When McCain said, "we could be in Iraq for 100 years," he wasn't and did not suggest that he WANTED that. I'd like to see pundits correct Obama when he makes that allegation.

When McCain flops on a position, let the media point it out to the viewers and then ask him about what made him change his mind.

When Obama does the same, let them do the same.

I'd like the media to do its fuckin' job rather than tell us that McCain is perceived to be better on foreign affairs. Why? Shouldn't they educate the public? Or shouldn't there be a mechanism which does so? He was in the Navy does not = he knows what to do with international issues. Chuck Hagel does. Biden is educated on these matters. Obama is not particularly involved in it.

I'd also like to see candidates not lie about one another and to be called out on it regularly and repeatedly.

All I want is the following:

I stand for A, B, C. He stands for D, E, F.

Choose accordingly.

This isn't as much for me but the motards in middle America who are worried that gay people will come and decorate their homes and that Mexicans will come and steal those decorations.

That just appeals to the fear and emotional aspect of the people rather than tell them the truth about the state of affairs as they genuinely affect them.

I'd like the media to do its fuckin' job rather than tell us that McCain is perceived to be better on foreign affairs. Why? Shouldn't they educate the public? Or shouldn't there be a mechanism which does so? He was in the Navy does not = he knows what to do with international issues. Chuck Hagel does. Biden is educated on these matters. Obama is not particularly involved in it.

Jules, are you saying that a Political Science degree from Columbia and graduating magna cum laude from Harvard in Constitutional Law isn't "involved"? Or are you saying that that is the perception based on American media coverage?

FB,

I mean that his exposure to international affairs has been limited, but there is little reason to think he's incapable of understanding nuance and being real politik. His intelligence is not an issue. You can't be articulate and stupid. You can be inarticulate and smart or stupid. He's articulate, and, by default, smart.

I am saying that the portrayl of his ignorance ought to be challenged. I believe candidates should be called onto the carpet, pinned down on their intentions and held accountable if elected. I don't want platitudes. I want what precisely they will do to stem the flow of jobs out of the country by virtue of NAFTA and similar free trade agreements. If you are going to "entice" corporations to not off-shore work, how precisely would you do that. If you are going to make a national health care program, how would you pay for it. Etc.

You want the job of leading this country, then you carry the liability that goes with it and the scrutiny of being selected.

PS, FB, don't you sleep? I have to be up working...what's your excuse?

I'd like the media to do its fuckin' job rather than tell us that McCain is perceived to be better on foreign affairs. Why? Shouldn't they educate the public? Or shouldn't there be a mechanism which does so? He was in the Navy does not = he knows what to do with international issues. Chuck Hagel does. Biden is educated on these matters. Obama is not particularly involved in it.

I'd also like to see candidates not lie about one another and to be called out on it regularly and repeatedly.

All I want is the following:

I stand for A, B, C. He stands for D, E, F.

Choose accordingly.

Jules,

You make the mistaken assumption that everyone is as smart and intellectually curious as you are. The simple fact remains that too many of the voters in this country really have no idea what their candidates are all about. Bush basically ran on a platform of "I'm going to take money from your children and grandchildren and give it to the richest people in the country and some of the largest corporations in the world," and he won. Twice.

Clearly we have moved well past the area where we're capable of making wise decisions. The media is just giving people what they want, and what they want is entertainment.

He took a nap earlier in the day and was up guarding the neighborhood.

UBER YOU F'ING PUNT BLOCKER

UBER YOU F'ING PUNT BLOCKER

My day is complete at 8:30am. Time to clock out and have a beer.

NTFF!!!!!

He did it to me too, Glenn!

The simple fact remains that too many of the voters in this country really have no idea what their candidates are all about.

By the same token, it's absolutely impossible to nail down what a candidate will do anyway. They lie so much, they misrepresent so much, and they change so much during elections (and in office) that the best you can hope for is alligning as many or your very core issues and hoping they do a good job with the rest of it.

Jules, if what you just laid out actually happened the mainstream media would cease to exist. Now we can't have that!

...all of which leads me to really wonder why you cats seem to put so much time and thought and debate into this process.



I would vote against Obama solely for the dumbass commercial he put out about sticking it to the Big Oil companies with the windfall tax bullshit, and the one where he quotes McCain (January, 2008) talking about the strong economy and low unemployment then interviews a bunch of unemployed people as if to disprove him.



Lesser of two evils is my vote this year.

Bush basically ran on a platform of "I'm going to take money from your children and grandchildren and give it to the richest people in the country and some of the largest corporations in the world," and he won. Twice.

i'd say bush basically ran on a platform of "check it out, i'm a born-again christian" and 78% of evangelicals voted for him. that's a big reason he won.

I think you guys are doing a bit of revionist history here, if I recall correctly Bush's main message in 2000 was a break from Clintonian politics and an Administration with integrity that won't get caught up in scandals and lies, etc, and the Christian message was perhaps a smidge tied into that.


You can judge for yourself the results but I seem to recall that that was the main thrust of the Bush 2000 campaign.

McCain takes 5 point lead on Barry.
click here

from CNN - "According to CNN's average of several recent national surveys, Obama's lead is now a slim 3 points over the Arizona senator, 46-43 percent — half of his advantage in a CNN poll of polls one week ago, and down from a high of 8 points in mid-July.

But the recent downturn in the polls for Obama may not last — the Democratic White House hopeful is headed for a week of what is likely to be overwhelmingly postive coverage as he names his running mate and officially accepts his party's presidential nomination."



see, i can post from my preferred sites, too!

For the first time the Real Clear Politics map has McCain winning the election 274-264.

Barry seems to be falling no matter what source you use.

Obama is still leading in every credible poll.
I'm not saying he'll win, but the polling suggests he will.

I've said from the very beginning Obama was a longshot ever when he held a double-digit lead. I have a hard time believing the polling will translate directly to votes when the time comes.

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