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A double punt block

Obama bucks history and gets a NEGATIVE bounce in the polls after the selection of Biden.
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Plus, opposing the war in Iraq is no longer radical-- it's a mainstream point of view.

It was never radical. There were just a few dumbasses that tried to paint it as such because they had a fundamental misunderstanding of the situation.

Obama bucks history and gets a NEGATIVE bounce in the polls after the selection of Biden.
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He really seems to have lost steam...I don't know if I expected a bump from Biden, but considering there was really no news from the McCain camp during that time, it sure seemed pretty anticlimactic.

Hillary would have theoretically buzzed up his campaign, IMO.

The masses are stupid and deserve everything that's coming to them.

If you don't have money, health care, a job but prevented gay marriage and amnesty....congrats. That is the epitome of "sticking to your principles".

Truly, I'm astonished and I know I shouldn't considering 56 million people voted for Bush the SECOND time.

Obama bucks history and gets a NEGATIVE bounce in the polls after the selection of Biden.

Nevermind that the margin of error is 2%, which could have swung him the other way.

This is the time in the cycle where the media coverage really begins to suck. It's all about the horserace and not the horses...and certainly not the policies of the horses.

But if your horse is winning the horserace, you just have to keep bringing that fact up over and over, and if that becomes the story, your horse won't lose. See Rove, Karl.

The masses are stupid and deserve everything that's coming to them.


The only problem with that is that intelligent free thinkers get swept along in the riptide...

Prosletyzing to the congenitally retarded what should already be patently evident won't avert the tide, FB. Just raises blood pressure.

Love the Liberal Elites. 3 in a row

Prosletyzing to the congenitally retarded what should already be patently evident won't avert the tide, FB. Just raises blood pressure.


There is a barb in there just waiting for me to pull it out and throw it, but this a gentler, kinder FB

The masses are stupid and deserve everything that's coming to them.

If you don't have money, health care, a job but prevented gay marriage and amnesty....congrats. That is the epitome of "sticking to your principles".

Truly, I'm astonished and I know I shouldn't considering 56 million people voted for Bush the SECOND time.

It's Obama's job to sell the masses on him, Jules (and he was spotted a massive lead). He just hasn't done a good enough job.

I don't blame the people in this instance...I blame the Democrats. They blow at running campaigns and the Republicans are great at it, which is why I figured this was going to happen.

The only problem with that is that intelligent free thinkers get swept along in the riptide...

A. Most of the people you're referring to are neither intelligent nor free-thinkers. The kids out on the streets of Manhattan, stopping pedestrians, and all parroting Obama talking points is Exhibit A.

B. The intelligent free thinkers have realized that they are an extremely small voting block and will never be catered to (although Obama is coming close by ... get this ... listening to subject matter experts and not politicians). They are just watching the trends and shifting their plans to match the current and future situations.

I don't blame the people in this instance...I blame the Democrats. They blow at running campaigns and the Republicans are great at it, which is why I figured this was going to happen.

It's also part and parcel of who makes up each political party.

Democrats are a swarm of impetuous, free-thinking children run amok.

Republicans are a militaristic association of nuns who scare the shit out of everyone and stamp out free-thought and dissent.

The Democratic Party is unfocused because it's an inclusionary "big tent" that harbors people of many different views and (somewhat foolishly) tries to give voice to all of them.

The Republican Party is dominated by religious conservatives and those who want to hang on to as much of their own money as possible at any cost. Theirs is an awkward marriage, but they're united by a fear that the entire nation will be destroyed if Democrats call the shots. The fear is impressive enough that people who oppose central tenets of the party platform (gays, pro-choice, people who support fiscal responsibility) still belong to it, regardless of the fact that the party wants to crush their beliefs and/or rights. This is the greatest achievement of Karl Rove.

Every time I hear one of the Clinton people bitching about the Democratic Party's message at the convention or the way Hillary Clinton has been treated, I want to go berserk. These people are only acting in their own self-interest and not in the interest of the party. The media loves this story, and it's the biggest stumbling block in the way of Obama's ability to seize control of the message.

The GOP would never tolerate this kind of dissent. They would have cut off James Carville's and Terry McCaullife's nuts a long time ago and fed them to a pack of wild dogs while the Log Jammer Republicans watched with horror and responded by writing bigger checks to support the anti-gay marriage initiative.

So, to summarize:



Republicans: Bad, but focused.


Democrats: Good, but unfocused.



Close the thread down, boys, it's a wrap.

In that case:

Democrats: Look at the big picture and don't focus on one statement

Republicans: Ignore the bulk of relevant information to focus on one statement and then draw conclusions

Like when you said intelligent people vote for Obama. That is one statement that we will focus on, Talon.

Or when he said Republicans stamp out free though and dissent while Obama's campaign is currently whining to the DOJ to get that Ayers ad taken off the air.

Yeah...bitching about an illegal ad the McCain Campaign won't even touch is "whining".

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Multiple-pronged counterattack
The counter ad is only part of the Obama team's response. Bauer has written legal letters to television stations, asserting that the Ayers ad is illegal and false, and that its airing is subject to a Federal Election Commission penalty. Obama did not call Ayers "respectable" and "mainstream," Bauer said. Those words were used by a journalist in an article that was posted along with many others on the Obama campaign Web site.

McCain campaign spokesman Brian Rogers called it "100 percent misleading" to blame the Republican for an ad he had nothing to do with. He said the campaign has had no discussions with Simmons about the ad, the issue or the organization. Failor has not been involved in the McCain campaign for more than a year, Rogers said.

But Rogers made no effort to distance McCain from the Ayers issue. "If he thinks his long association with an unrepentant domestic terrorist is nothing the American people should be concerned about, he's delusional or naive," Rogers said of Obama. "The guy's running for president. It's an issue."

Ayers did hold a gathering for him in 1995 when Obama first ran for the Illinois Senate, and he later contributed $200 to his reelection campaign. But Bauer said that hardly constitutes launching the political career of a University of Chicago Law School lecturer and the first African American president of the Harvard Law Review, who had just published his first memoir, "Dreams From My Father."

A Bauer letter to Deputy Assistant Attorney General John C. Keeney challenges him to make good on a promise to vigorously act in the face of "a knowing and willful attempt to evade the strictures of federal election law."

"It's worth noting that this isn't the first time Bauer has called for criminal investigations and prosecutions into the donors to independent groups critical of Obama, including one supporting John Edwards and another supporting Hillary Rodham Clinton. His words did have the effect of scaring their donors and consultants, but haven't yet appeared to result in any prosecution."
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They should stop whining and grow a spine.

If it's accurate, why did McCain's campaign run it through a shadow company and deny any involvement?

Uh...they...ummm.

Or when he said Republicans stamp out free though and dissent while Obama's campaign is currently whining to the DOJ to get that Ayers ad taken off the air.

the irony of that statement is simply astounding.

free speech = propaganda designed to misinform the public regarding their choice for the next leader of the country.

This goes back to the earlier point about Dems not being able to run campaigns. These clowns whining about this are giving the ad more legs than it initially had. Stupid.

This goes back to the earlier point about Dems not being able to run campaigns. These clowns whining about this are giving the ad more legs than it initially had. Stupid.

There's a fairly stark difference between seeking action against an illegal ad and "whining".

Also, were you alive in 2004? If so, you probably remember how well it worked out when Kerry took that approach against the absurd swift boat scandel.

"Smoking gun"

Where the hell did the Republicans put the "smoking gun?"

Where the hell did the Democrats put the "smoking gun"

Seems as most of you Dem or Repub on here are looking for "smoking guns"

With both Parties it's "smoke and mirrors."

Democrats and the Press blame everything on Bush.

Bush and the Conservative Talk Show Hosts blame everything on the Democrats.....

Everybody in this thread is coming to their conclusions based on researching someone elses opinion..

Vote Independent!

All these guys find ways around the campaign finance laws so stop the whining. Do they really want to start that stuff up when Obama's campaign accepted donations from 2 brothers living in the Gaza strip? It's stupid all around.

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