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And by your theory, Fred, crime rates in Appalachia should at least be AT National average, no?

Ecological studies in the stratification tradition have searched for links between structural
socioeconomic conditions and variations in aggregate crime rates. Krivo and Peterson
(1996) found that extremely disadvantaged neighborhoods have higher levels of crime
and that these patterns are consistent for both whites-and blacks.

IMPLICATIONS
The findings contained in this study demonstrate the importance of incorporating spatial
effects into empirical models of crime. A related implication is that global theories of
crime may need to be further modified or expanded in order to take spatial patterns and
spatial dynamics more explicitly into account. Given recent developments in GIS
technology and spatial analysis applications, there is now available a rich array of tools
that can be applied to the study of crime in its spatial context. This opens the door for
new ways to explore, visualize, and understand hot spots and clusters of crime, spatial
diffusion processes, and differences based on spatial scale or location.
The results of this study thus have both theoretical and methodological implications and
point to several directions for future research. First, the results indicate that different
processes may be operating in metropolitan and nonmetropolitan locations. While a
number of factors have traditionally been linked to crime in the social ecology literature,
the spatial pattern of these relationships is often complex. Furthermore, most of this
literature has been limited to urban crime and it may be that the link between various
ecological characteristics and crime are different in urban and rural locations. In fact, it
could be said that one of the least understood topics in the field of criminology is that of
rural and nonmetropolitan crime. Thus, there is a need for further research on rural crime
which a e s location and geographic context seriously. Future studies may therefore
need to address the spatial dynamics of crime in rural locations as a product of social,
economic, and demographic factors which are often unique to those areas.

I'm just quoting your own study BTW

While violent crime has steadily decreased in larger
metropolitan areas, large percentage increases have been taking place in
nonmetropolitan counties adjacent to metro locations as well as in completely
rural counties.

Holy shit. Wait. You mean lower income areas have higher crime rates? I am shocked. Never would have thought that. But that study showed that the Applachia area I cited, while the crime rates may be higher than wealthy areas (duh), their overall rates are lower than the National rate. Your turn, do a crime rate search vs. the National Average for an impovershed, largely black area like I did for an impovershed, largely white area.

The point of the study YOU posted is that there is a lower population density in rural areas, therefore the crime rates aren't fully understood as they relate to cities and the backwoods- however they do make a point of showing that it happens everywhere- in fact they make a point that the "National Average" is not a good indicator of comparing the two


I guess you missed that too

The reason the crime rates are lower in rural, impovershed areas is obviously lower exposure rate to those that are worth robbing/taking advantage of.



Fred, let me be clear about something, I do NOT believe any sort of notion that blacks are predisposed to anything more than any other race is.

When broken down by Subregion, these Regional trends exhibit some interesting
variations. Index crime rates have consistently been higher in the South. This may
partially be attributed to the relatively large number of metropolitan counties located in
the South compared with the rest of the Region. It may also be related to the patterns of
rapid population growth and increased population mobility which are coming to
characterize many metropolitan and nonmetropolitan counties in Southern Appalachia.
Neverhess, the largest percentage increases in crime, especially violent crime, are
taking place in Central Appalachia.

I can keep copying and pasting this stuff all night

I'll bet you can. And each time you do you show how little you understand what is being said and the impact of statistics. A "rising" crime rate does not mean it's anywhere near that of some urban areas. As KB mentioned we are talking HALF the national average here.

Where do you think Watts, Compton, Germantown, Detroit, the Bronx, and the poorest part of Miami compare to the "National Average"?

Good Lord man.


My post at 11:08.


Read it.


Live it.


Love it.

So what do you attribute it to?

I mean, you are the one that said high crime rates are due to due to lowered socioeconomic status. Why do they not seem to carry over to rural areas?

We've been thru this already- I suggest you reread the original debate, Glenn. I've been consistent throughout

Leave it to you to post a study, then ignore what it says in the conclusion

Good answer. The direct/actual one is never a good idea.

the conclusion by no means favors your argument the way you are interpreting it.

Good night Glenn

Krivo and Peterson (1996) found that extremely disadvantaged neighborhoods have higher levels of crime and that these patterns are consistent for both whites-and blacks

Erm.. so wouldn't the problem then be that blacks are predisposed to inhabiting "extremely disadvantaged neighborhoods"?

Even though we been through this before, I will humor a bit you Olv
linc

Ugh.

"humor you a bit"


Haven't had my coffee yet

Really, ... so what's your point Fred? What's the point of all of this? (From the link you posted through the discussion until now, what is it you want?)

No sarcasm, ... genuinely interested in what you're attempting to unveil that hasn't been revealed before.

Dean-o, I'm merely responding here- since people seem to keep making the same erroneous statements, I just keep pointing out the flaws. That's all

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