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bassiladelph
RE: Philly crime thread
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3/23/2010 5:10 PM


And flesh, those points that you brought up, Jesus debunked each one of those, because the religious leaders of the day were so obsessed with the letter of the law that they forgot the reason behind it. They were mostly about glam and show, but their actions display their true intentions.


Very well said Bass... Wolves in sheeps clothing.

b/c this is already a well-established format for these people and they're comfortable with it.

I also believe the bible was man made

that's fine. as i said, i've had the same argument with my father, and many others, who are smarter and more ethical than me. i'd just say that looking at the religious convictions that currently shape our world, i don't think it's a comfort we can afford or need.

And flesh, those points that you brought up, Jesus debunked each one of those, because the religious leaders of the day were so obsessed with the letter of the law that they forgot the reason behind it. They were mostly about glam and show, but their actions display their true intentions.


Very well said Bass... Wolves in sheeps clothing.

what were the reasons behind it? to obey god? if so, that's hardly a transcendent truth; just a power play we've seen time and time again by countless self-proclaimed prophets - "i'm perfect, you're inherently flawed, i've got the keys to heaven, you don't, believe in me, or suffer forever."

still like an answer to the fairness of condemning those who where never exposed to the teachings of christ for reasons completely out of their control. then again, i'm pretty sure peoples like the aztecs and mayans would just as soon have postponed learning about the gospels and all that came with it for as long as possible.

HA...neither did mine ever Bass

when did i ever say catholics pray to the pope? i said he is considered by catholics as the closest human to god - there is the dogma of papal infallibilty, no?

flesh4fantasy
RE: Philly crime thread
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3/23/2010 6:35 PM

And flesh, those points that you brought up, Jesus debunked each one of those, because the religious leaders of the day were so obsessed with the letter of the law that they forgot the reason behind it. They were mostly about glam and show, but their actions display their true intentions.


Very well said Bass... Wolves in sheeps clothing.

what were the reasons behind it? to obey god? if so, that's hardly a transcendent truth; just a power play we've seen time and time again by countless self-proclaimed prophets - "i'm perfect, you're inherently flawed, i've got the keys to heaven, you don't, believe in me, or suffer forever."

still like an answer to the fairness of condemning those who where never exposed to the teachings of christ for reasons completely out of their control. then again, i'm pretty sure peoples like the aztecs and mayans would just as soon have postponed learning about the gospels and all that came with it for as long as possible.


Flesh... now you have opened Pandora’s snatch umm box. Good for you my friend.

I always looked at it like instant fkn Karma.

If your an evil fuck you will die an evil fuck.

Happy Passover.

whoops, sorry, neag. your "ha" was in response to bass, not in collusion with him.

Flesh,

One thing before I answer your points.

We have the option of discussion via email, simply because I'll end up clogging the lanes here with with answers( I may end up doing that anyway). I think I extended that invitation quite some time ago; the offer's still there.

If not, that's cool - I'll still answer your points here.

bass, i'd be happy to exchange emails; i just like to post our exchanges here, so anyone else that cares to offer their opinion can. the more points of view, the merrier, and all that.

uber has my email, i believe, if you want it.

Keep this out here, I want to see the very moment that Flesh converts to Christianity.

On that note - LOVED this story from PFT Today:

Tebow's pre-Wonderlic prayer request falls flat

Posted by Mike Florio on March 23, 2010 7:20 PM ET
As we've mentioned once or twice, quarterback Tim Tebow's habit of openly expressing his religious beliefs could potentially rub folks the wrong way, especially in a locker room of grown men who choose to keep their beliefs to themselves, who don't share his beliefs at all, and/or who only want to hear "God bless" after they have sneezed.

We're told that Tebow already has gotten a taste of the resistance he might face at the next level.

At the Scouting Combine, the Wonderlic exam is administered to players in groups. The 12-minute test is preceded by some brief instructions and comments from the person administering the test.

Per a league source, after the person administering the test to Tebow's group had finished, Tebow made a request that the players bow their heads in prayer before taking the 50-question exam.

Said one of the other players in response: "Shut the f--k up." Others players in the room then laughed.

We're not passing judgment on this one; we're just passing along what we've heard. And it illustrates the type of challenges that could be faced by the team that drafts Tebow.

ha...

before i sign off for the night, tonight on "nightline" is a debate between sam harris (athiest) and some believers (cant remember who)... topical, in light of today's discussion.

do you know what the debate is

Debate going on Lost now too

NTF, KB. Jesus the Smoke Monster.

Flash mob footage on channel 6 tonight. Looks disturbing.

They wildin'.


Croc-filled f'ing moats with Gaboon viper backup.

They wildin'!

One wonders what Mr Wise would say about a pregnant 12 year old kicking someone in the head for fun

OK, let's go over a couple of points (the rest I'll discuss with you, and I do welcome open discussion on the board; I just don't want a shouting match).

My 'no it doesn't' response was to your question about the Bible condoning abhorrent behavior. The points you made about treating slaves, killing adulterers, were all spoken about by Jesus (the one about adulterers can be found in John 8). The main point was that the Pharisees and Sadducees were only interested in studying the law, not applying it in their daily lives, and in the process they perverted it. And because they 'knew the word of God', no one could challenge them b/c they'd either get shouted down or ignored (or in Jesus' case, set up and killed). One example is how they would get up in front of people and make these elaborate, extravagant, babbling prayers so the focus could be on them (we still have a few of those running around now). They only believed in the power their position granted them, not in the responsibility that came with it (to borrow from Spider-Man, essentially). And God's law isn't something where you could say, "I'll follow this and this, but I won't follow this, b/c this doesn't apply to me". To borrow another saying, "The Ten Commandments are not multiple choice".

i'd just say that looking at the religious convictions that currently shape our world, i don't think it's a comfort we can afford or need.

Unfortunately, objective understanding is something that's very much missing from the world. Even if you were to focus on Islam and its teachings, there's nothing there that promises you 70+ virgins if you blow yourself up with a bunch of other people. Perversions exist due to personal gain, notoriety, jawn-waggling ("My god can beat up your god!" "Oh yeah? JIHAD!!!!"), or other motivations not of the faith you're supposed to be bringing. It's personal responsibility to not follow in that way, and it's that objective thinking that God welcomes, b/c it's pointless to have a bunch of robotic sheep. For example, Jehovah's Witnesses study and testify around neighborhoods, but they don't believe that Jesus is the Son of God. They preach from essentially the same Bible, but don't believe that Jesus died and rose again, instead basing their beliefs on pamphlets and religious propaganda, without doing the research that's in the same book they're supposed to be learned from. And the sad thing is that some of these same people come from the Christian church. You can't have it both ways.

what were the reasons behind it? to obey god? if so, that's hardly a transcendent truth; just a power play we've seen time and time again by countless self-proclaimed prophets - "i'm perfect, you're inherently flawed, i've got the keys to heaven, you don't, believe in me, or suffer forever."

The difference between Christianity and other religions (well, the main difference), is that its Prophet rose from the dead. Muhammad, Buddha, John Smith, they're all dead and still dead. Even if you were to ignore all the prophetic teachings from the OT (going back as far as the 3rd chapter of Genesis), that simple point is what Christians hold on to. It is the belief that Christ was/is the Son of God and that He was raised from the dead, not as a ghost, but in His carnal body. Although 1 Cor 15:12-19 points out that if we are wrong, we should be pitied more b/c we have spoken against God if Jesus' resurrection were not true, we have faith that it is true, based on the teachings of the Apostles and OT prophecy. I'll go over this point much more in detail over email.

still like an answer to the fairness of condemning those who where never exposed to the teachings of christ for reasons completely out of their control. then again, i'm pretty sure peoples like the aztecs and mayans would just as soon have postponed learning about the gospels and all that came with it for as long as possible.

Rather than drop an answer just for the sake of dropping an answer, I'm going to do more research so that it'll answer this better. But we have to remember that Christ came to fulfill the law, not to abolish it. So it didn't just pick up from when He started His ministry.


OK, lanes now sufficiently clogged up.

One other thing about understanding - people talk about Jonah being in the belly of a big fish (commonly misquoted as being a whale) for 3 days, but that happened because God told him to preach his word to his enemies and Jonah wanted God to destroy them off the face of the earth. So much so that after he had finished preaching, he set up camp outside the city of Ninevah to watch the fireworks, and got pissed when it didn't happen (and when the people repented their ways).

"Lock me up," Theresa Guyton demanded. "That's my baby," she yelled, as six deputy sheriffs and court workers subdued, handcuffed and hustled her from the courtroom after she refused to calm down.

"As much as you love your mother, her conduct is childlike," Administrative Judge Kevin Dougherty told the woman's son, a 17-year-old Bartram High School student.

The defendant's attorney told the judge that the family has been in and out of homeless shelters and that the teen often has to care for his younger siblings.

"That's the problem. That's why you are here," the judge said to the weeping teen. "Your mother thinks of you as the man of the house."

..."It's part of a systemic problem where guardians are prepared to make excuses for their child's behavior and are unrealistic as to what their child is doing and how they're behaving,"


linc

They Wildin'

Yo, click it

Seth, I imagine you'd be pretty upset too if they were about to lock up your 8th Grade son.

NTFF

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