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My take on KB vs flesh vs Bass is this:

I think all have valid points- KB is right that religions have their place and generally serve the common good (now).

But I agree moreso with Flesh, to the point that religious zealots (whether it be in history or current) have twisted a message of peace for a specific agenda. I think that flesh would even agree that the normal small town Catholic who never shows up on the radar is benign, much like KB would agree that there are numerous groups with Catholicism, Judaism or Islam (maybe even fundamentalist Buddists) that do quantifiable harm when they spout off in a "my way or the highway" direction.

True religious leaders accept other religions, based on a foundation of acceptance and peace.

I think that KB is focused on that, while flesh is looking at why some religions make the news for pushing their agenda, at all costs


Just my take

Were they all about how the upgrades to the Eagles coaching staff will translate into wins?

Thanks for the punt block FB

Anyone need to stretch their legs, get out in the sunshine, enjoy Penn's beautiful campus?

Today's the day
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Oh, almost forgot Bass-

I think Bass is more likely to side with KB? but even he is not naive enough to dismiss there have been wrongs in essentially a positive institution.

If I were to guess, Bass would essentially be saying "don't throw the baby out with the bath water"

True religious leaders accept other religions, based on a foundation of acceptance and peace.

I don't completely agree with this notion, but if you're talking solely 'avoiding wiping out all other religions from the face of the earth', then yeah.

The thing about it is (and I will KEEP saying this until I'm blue in the face) that you've GOT to do the research yourself. I can tell you all about my trials and experiences and everything else, but what good is it if you take my word for it and decide to follow blindly? What's the point, then? People get worked up and follow things and don't even have a clue as to what they're doing, which leaves them susceptible to the zealots and nimrods and misguided morons that try to discredit the faith they're supposed to be following.

Christianity teaches that EVERYONE will have to take an account for themselves - it doesn't help if I say 'Jimmy there told me this Kool-Aid was helpful; I was just following orders'. That's why even in some churches some pastors get away with saying some things, because they aren't taken to task by the congregation or by others who are supposed to be studying as well.

If I were to guess, Bass would essentially be saying "don't throw the baby out with the bath water"

The problems that stem from Christianity (and this is true of other things) is that sometimes the people that are in charge place their own meanings on things and don't meditate and keep things in prayer, or aren't held accountable for what they do and end up doing more harm, thinking they won't be found out.

A Christian rapper by the name of Da Truth (I think) had to take a sabbatical b/c of issues at home (infidelity was rumored, though I don't remember whom). stuff like this attacks a person's character and makes un-believers question the faith, when really the faith remains; the person pushing it made a bad decision.

Comes down to still doing the research for yourself, but if that means what FB said, then sure.

What don't you agree with, Bass?


I'm not saying that religious leaders are going around saying "I believe in Christ, but Mohammed could be the true prophet"- I'm saying that real "men of God" don't tell their congregation that Jews or Muslims or Buddhists or Voodoo priests are going to burn in Hell. I never believed in that sort of teaching, and that's why I kinda side with flesh on this one, even if he is an atheist Jew :)

While we're beating this unimportant issue to death, Steve Wilkos just asked the eternal question for his hotline: "Should parents encourage their kids to be sexually active?"

I'm saying that real "men of God" don't tell their congregation that Jews or Muslims or Buddhists or Voodoo priests are going to burn in Hell. I never believed in that sort of teaching, and that's why I kinda side with flesh on this one, even if he is an atheist Jew :)

Isn't an atheist Jew an oxymoron?

The result of rejecting God is separation from God; that's made rather plain in the Bible. However, you don't approach someone like that b/c it's counterproductive. It's like that one time where the one woman was overheard saying she was "going to enjoy hearing Jews go snap, crackle and pop in Hell"...... i mean, really - THAT'S not the attitude that someone who believes in Christ should be taking. That's not how it's done.

Anyone preaching the Bible that instead spreads hatred and fear is more damaging than anything else I've ever seen. Again, we are to present the truth, but it's still up to the person to accept it or not. Sure there are consequences, but you don't go around to people like you're in the subway saying "You you and you are going to roast in Hell like it was a Boston Market".

Maybe you ought to just shut down the computer, start up the Playstation, and blast some Insane Clown Posse.


Religion is pretty damn important these days KB-

This is where I side with flesh

Steve Wilkos just asked the eternal question for his hotline: "Should parents encourage their kids to be sexually active?"

There's so much wrong with this statement, I don't even know where to begin.

I give up; KB wins

While we're beating this unimportant issue to death

most people on earth would disagree. i know, i know, not your stepmom or mother-in-law.

yeesh fred, pretty obvious that was a sarcastic comment. Wilkos wasn't even offering anything controversial, everybody knows you should encourage your kids to be sexually active

With each other, KB?

Isn't an atheist Jew an oxymoron?

Hence the smiley face :)

The result of rejecting God is separation from God; that's made rather plain in the Bible. However, you don't approach someone like that b/c it's counterproductive. It's like that one time where the one woman was overheard saying she was "going to enjoy hearing Jews go snap, crackle and pop in Hell"...... i mean, really - THAT'S not the attitude that someone who believes in Christ should be taking. That's not how it's done.

Um, that is pretty obvious. At that point it's not even "religion" anymore- which I think is what flesh has been saying.

Anyone preaching the Bible that instead spreads hatred and fear is more damaging than anything else I've ever seen.

Again, I think that is flesh's point, but I could be wrong

Steve Wilkos just asked the eternal question for his hotline: "Should parents encourage their kids to be sexually active?"

Steeeeeeeeeve!

Every episode of that show I've ever seen has him berating a child abuser for an hour on stage, then offering to fight him.

flesh has been fired up lately. Must mean one thing - the Phils season is about to begin!

wow, you too? You can't see how tongue-in-cheek that was after calling Wilkos'question "the eternal question"

Every episode of that show I've ever seen has him berating a child abuser for an hour on stage, then offering to fight him.

that's exactly what this episode is about.

wow, you too? You can't see how tongue-in-cheek that was after calling Wilkos'question "the eternal question"

I know - that's why I said there's so much wrong, and it starts with 'Steve Wilkos has a hotline?'

talking about flesh

Never watched the show- seemed like a watered down spinoff of a classic

Again, we are to present the truth, but it's still up to the person to accept it or not.


And this is my biggest qualm with the Bible thumpers, the presentation of faith as truth.

that's exactly what it is, fred. only thing I can get on my clotheshanger antennae until i cable in my office

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