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Wow.

I was trying to point out the accusatory nature of the phrase by highlighting the word "guilty".


You literally can't see the forest through the trees.


Forget it

Dense dense dense

Fred man,....

cmon.

Seriously, Fred.

Show me where I said that GWL DOESN'T mean "white guilt" and it EXCLUSIVELY means "guilty liberal".

That's not what I said at all, and if you reread my original post slowly and carefully, you'd see that.

Seriously

LULZ, we are apparently in an alternate universe because I think I understand what Fred is trying to say and sort of agree with him.

I understand what he is saying - everyone does - but he is dead wrong

They hit him hard, but not hard enough to knock the white guilt out of him
linc

"but it also is an indictment of that person- as "they are guilty" of being a "liberal". We all know what that connotes, and then when you add the "white" (always bringing COLOR into it) then it takes the accusatory nature up a notch. Why not just say "guilty liberal" and be done with it at that point? "

To a point I get what you are saying. That the "W" is meaningless or a given. Like there are actually guilty black liberals.

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We all know what that connotes, and then when you add the "white" (always bringing COLOR into it) then it takes the accusatory nature up a notch. Why not just say "guilty liberal" and be done with it at that point? "

because the nature of the "guilt" is that which could only be felt by white people.

Really
This is not that difficult.

depends on what your definition of "is" is

Fred thank you for this on a Monday Morning, it feels like Friday now.

Seriously, thanks man, I feel 100% better.

because the nature of the "guilt" is that which could only be felt by white people


Correct.

So why the need to emphasize the "white" in GWL"?

The point I'm trying to make is that, in phrases like these, there is always a conscious effort to delineate by race.

You're not just a liberal as charged(which could include blacks or Asians or Hispanic)...but you're a guilty WHITE liberal


Tell me you don't see the significance of that?

Point being- the phrase has the obvious meaning of "white guilt liberal aka Tim Wise"

or

less obvious meaning of "guilty white liberal" who sucks up to blacks to the detriment of civilized American society.

It's subtle, but it's there

So you are saying that the "white" in "white guilt" is redundant? Is that all?

B/C IT'S CALLED WHITE GUILT NITWIT

To a point I get what you are saying. That the "W" is meaningless or a given. Like there are actually guilty black liberals.


Finally. Yes it's like putting an exclamation point on it, by putting the WHITE in there

So why the need to emphasize the "white" in GWL"?

Because the people feel guilty because they are white and therefore have had a more privileged life than that of minorities. That's what makes them a guilty white liberal.

The GWL label is always used in issues that pertain to race.

It has absolutely nothing to do with someone being guilty of being a liberal. Otherwise, people would say, "You are guilty of being a white liberal," which is not nearly the same as saying, "You are a guilty white liberal."

I cannot believe you are trying to debate people on this. Your pigheadedness is fast approaching Airborne Eagle I-didn't-see-the-movie-but-I-know-it's-nothing-but-lies territory.

It has absolutely nothing to do with someone being guilty of being a liberal.

You're wrong.

The point is "not only are they a LIBERAL (dirty word) but a GUILTY WHITE ONE"

It's totally from the conservative campers and it's totally an attack against anyone who doesn't believe that black people have had a fair shake and should just pull themselves up by their bootstraps regardless of history.

I'm surprised you don't get it

I think the disconnect here is- I'm saying that the "guilty of being a liberal" is the double meaning and it's implied- the "white" is the icing on the cake.

The obvious meaning is about "white guilt"- which flesh explained thru Wiki... and I'm sure even some Republicans might feel as remorse for slavery is not mutually exclusive to being a conservative.

But you won't hear the phrase "guilty white conservative"- at least I haven't. And that speaks to what people's understanding of the terms "liberal" and "conservative" mean. Which is also why the "white" in "GWL" is overkill and damning

Maybe that's because Conservatives don't like to create social programs to over-correct for past mistakes made by their great great great grandfathers?

Or maybe it's because the conservatives realize that their great great grandfathers are the reason that they enjoy their position atop the social strata today, and are deathly afraid of immigrant foreigners or urbans with a grudge

Fred, you realize most conservatives aren't in the higher end social strata?

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