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GlennGoBlue
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7/30/2008 2:37 PM
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Oh, the humanity link
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TheTalon
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7/30/2008 2:43 PM
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Can't disagree with the sentiment. We're wasting tons of money and time on this, blah, blah, blah...you've heard it all before.
But I would say that every time these proposals arise, they shoot themselves in the foot by trying to decriminalize large quantities. No one needs a Q.P. unless they're selling it. Believe me, I know.
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NotoriousEAG
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7/30/2008 2:44 PM
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In college I unsuccessfulkly tried to incorporated the term "Royale" into the drug lexicon as a replacement for "Q.P/"
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NCSaintsFan
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7/30/2008 2:53 PM
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Doesn't seem like the legislation would do anything. In the article, it says people charged with possession (alone) rarely get federal jail time.
Unless this is a step to get a wedge in the door, it seems like a lot of wasted motion.
Rob Kampia, director of the Marijuana Policy Project, said marijuana arrests outnumber arrests for "all violent crimes combined," meaning that police are spending inordinate amounts of time chasing nonviolent criminals.
I'm not sure if police are targeting pot users/sellers as much as they find substances during pat-downs or domicile searches. Even in those cases, how many of the lesser charges are tossed in plea-bargaining?
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flesh4fantasy
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7/30/2008 3:01 PM
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yeah, no need to rehash the old arguments. i agree with talon, though - when i saw frank wants to decrim up to a QP, i did a bit of a double take. a savvy dealer could easily operate with no more that that in their possession at any one time (especially with the price/potency of most pot today) and do quite nicely.
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NotoriousEAG
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7/30/2008 3:03 PM
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Flesh are you going to get wasted b4 the Phillies game Tues?
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flesh4fantasy
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7/30/2008 3:08 PM
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from the DEA website"
"Smoked marijuana has not withstood the rigors of science -- it is not medicine and it is not safe," the DEA states on its Web site. "Legalization of marijuana, no matter how it begins, will come at the expense of our children and public safety. It will create dependency and treatment issues, and open the door to use of other drugs, impaired health, delinquent behavior, and drugged drivers."
see, this is what gets me more angry than anything else. first of all, it doesn't have to be smoked, if that's the big problem. second of all, many licensed physicians disagree that it ain't medicine - but the DEA knows more than doctors about medicine, i guess. and lastly, oxycodone - apparently a drug that has "withstood the rigors of science" is basically heroin and has caused an unbelievable drug crisis in this country, with addiction issues objectively many times more horrific than any problems associated with pot.
so forgive me when i say the DEA's opinion on the matter is total f*cking horsesh*t.
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flesh4fantasy
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7/30/2008 3:10 PM
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Flesh are you going to get wasted b4 the Phillies game Tues?
i'll have a few beers, you can be sure. wouldn't touch the herb outside of my apt. on a bet.
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NotoriousEAG
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7/30/2008 3:10 PM
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i don't smoke marijuana so I really don't care if they legalize it or not
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flesh4fantasy
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7/30/2008 3:17 PM
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i don't smoke marijuana so I really don't care if they legalize it or not
believe me, many, many, many pot smokers feel the same way. bud's as plentiful and potent as ever, so who cares?
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NCSaintsFan
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7/30/2008 3:17 PM
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I never saw a problem with legalized drugs like pot, so long as there's a prescription involved.
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Dino727
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7/30/2008 3:18 PM
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I never saw a problem with legalized drugs like pot, so long as there's a prescription involved
Exactly. Just like alcohol.
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SeeZakRun
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7/30/2008 3:22 PM
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NTF Dino!
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flesh4fantasy
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7/30/2008 3:29 PM
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i don't smoke marijuana so I really don't care if they legalize it or not
seriously, neag, is your point that you only care about issues that you feel directly affect you?
medical marijuana doesn't affect me personally in the least, but i still strongly support it.
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NCSaintsFan
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7/30/2008 3:29 PM
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We're going to go down the alcohol/pot road?
Alcohol helped save Western civilization (along with Irish scribes).
Pot? Not so much.
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NotoriousEAG
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7/30/2008 3:39 PM
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Honestly, flesh, it does not affect me one way or another, so I don't really care
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flesh4fantasy
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7/30/2008 4:25 PM
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Alcohol helped save Western civilization (along with Irish scribes).
Pot? Not so much.
well, that's not really relevant to the debate in the least, but i know you were trying to be funny, so i'll let it go.
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flesh4fantasy
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7/30/2008 4:27 PM
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Honestly, flesh, it does not affect me one way or another, so I don't really care
i'm sure there are many political/societal issues that directly effect you just as much that you have strong opinions on.
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NCSaintsFan
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7/30/2008 4:28 PM
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f4f,
It's as relevent as bringing alcohol into the discussion.
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NCSaintsFan
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7/30/2008 4:30 PM
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And alcohol did play a significant role in preserving Western society (and, in a related way, Irish scribes).
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flesh4fantasy
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7/30/2008 4:31 PM
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It's as relevent as bringing alcohol into the discussion.
no, really its not.
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flesh4fantasy
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7/30/2008 4:33 PM
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And alcohol did play a significant role in preserving Western society (and, in a related way, Irish scribes).
right, i know (water was bacteria-laden in the old days, safer to drink beer brewed by monks, wine, etc, etc.)
and, again, totally irrelevant to the modern debate on marijuana legislation.
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ATown Eagle
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7/30/2008 4:34 PM
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NEAG, if you don't smoke weed, why did you start a "4/20" thread years ago on April 20, with only the words "respect it". I remember this, because AE thought it had something to do with the holocaust or something.
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NCSaintsFan
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7/30/2008 4:36 PM
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and, again, totally irrelevant to the modern debate on marijuana legislation.
As irrelevent as discussing the legitimacy of other legal drugs approved for moderate consumption on the market.
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flesh4fantasy
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7/30/2008 4:43 PM
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As irrelevent as discussing the legitimacy of other legal drugs approved for moderate consumption on the market.
you lost me. are you referring to my comment on oxycodone? how is a point about an over-prescribed powerful, highly addictive opiate-narcotic that was allowed to saturate the market irrelevant (wonder if the pharmaceutical lobby had any influence there?) to a discussion on the asinine and hypocritical content on the DEA site regarding the dangers of marijuana?
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