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but you have no evidence, that's all.

You don't think the fact that the documented event that is completely incompatible with laws of physics and science whose discovery post-dates the supposed event constitutes proof?

You sir are a true believer

i think lots of things about religion. i don't know anything though

In that case, shouldn't your conclusion be that you are an atheist?

first to copy and paste the second sentence with bad joke wins

no, agnostic

KB, that is complete nonsense. Scientific facts that exist now, always existed.

Atoms cannot be transformed. Human bodies under no circumstances transform to salt. The bible also talks about flood gates and there being upper oceans and lower oceans. Humans have been to the moon. Rain does not come from an opened trap door. Water did not just materialize to swallow Mount Everest and then just as magically disappear. Believing these things is just as logical as worshiping the Magical Spaghetti Monster.

You can't say the other side is justified by saying well you never know. Maybe science only applies when you are looking and magic happens when you turn around.

No, I am saying that if there is a god, and as they believe he isn't showing himself, but did then, than anything could have happened

and i do think it sounds silly, i just have no proof

Arguments like that are why religion survives and will continue to thrive, even in educated circles.

Fox News is basically a distant relative of the Catholic Church.

"Remember: it's not a lie if you believe it"...

olv, are you saying god definitely doesn't exist?

i think thinking you know what you know when you don't is horrible. which is why i am not religious.

All that proves is that if you slap a few millennium behind a lie it gains an aura of legitimacy. If any of those things tried being passed off as legit now they would be laughed at like Scientology. These same stories that you can't prove to be true also somehow prove that all the other stories are false as well.

I mean what kind of idiot would believe in gods like Hades? Everyone knows you should believe in a guy with no historical records that can come back from the dead and also ascend into "heaven" as told through conflicting stories by people that never met "Jesus" themselves. If that doesn't scream factual, gosh, I don't think anything does. Sounds pretty airtight to me.

you're a broken record of things you believe, miranda. things i believe as well.

same question: are you certain god doesn't exist?

olv, are you saying god definitely doesn't exist?

Of course not.

Nor am I certain that unicorns don't exist, that fairies don't exist, that the Loch Ness monster doesn't exist.

That doesn't mean I'm gonna hold up a candle somewhere in Scotland waiting for him to show up though

i don't either, i just accept that i'm not certain.

All an atheist claims is that he doesn't believe in God. Not that he is certain there is no God

athiesm is the rejection of belief, agnosticism is you don't think it can be known. i don't reject belief

I think a being could exist that began life, the universe, etc. An overhearing santa clause that is jealous and mean spirited and created humans in his image is insanely obnoxious for humans to believe. Talk about ego that the whole universe revolves around their existence and god mirrors their personality traits and flaws.

I'm not sure why the burden is on you to accept or reject anything on any basis other than logic.

Clearly you've got some strong-ass Xtian influences in your background, kb.

not really, parents reject catholicism before i was born, went through the motions for their parents until i was about 5, and never had me do much

Jesus as historical figure existed. And legit historian agrees with that.

This discussion is pretty Jewy for my tastes. Ridiculing Fox news, religion.....you only need to celebrate government subversives to hit the jew Trifecta

I'm not sure why the burden is on you to accept or reject anything on any basis other than logic.

i'm not sure why burden of proof would have come up if not for people here making declarative statements

Well you're basically saying "sure, all the evidence points the other way but I just don't KNOW". Which isn't saying much of anything really

no, b/c if you allow for the possibility of god exisiting, which i do, then game over man. if you allow for the possibility and creating everything we know, walking on water is a cakewalk

But belief should arise from deduction and knowledge, not mere "possibilities".

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