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There's no need to acknowledge the other abortion of a thread if people want to actually talk about this.

Bob Ford doesn't say anything new here, but he's absolutely right. This has to be the end of the line for Paterno. While he did the right thing in reporting the allegation to his superior, a man in his position can't stay silent and take a hands-off attitude when something like this happens. As Ford says, had one of Paterno's grandchildren been involved, you can bet that he would have taken an interest in seeing how this story ends. Paterno is supposed to be a leader, but he showed zero leadership here.

The worst part of this article are the comments from people attacking Ford and defending Paterno. If there is any college football team I pull for, it's Penn State, but this is a pathetic and horrifying scandal. AD Tim Curley and Senior VP of Finance and Business Gary Schultz, who oversees the university's police department, both should be put behind bars. University President Graham Spanier should be fired, and Joe Paterno should be forced into retirement. There is no other way around this. This is the end.

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i said in the other thread that paterno should be going to jail, too. i don't care what "company policy" says, he knew and should have gone to the authorities. the state attorney general feels that way, too.

there's a rumor that the grad assistant was mcqueary

Didn't Paterno do the right thing by reporting it? The fact that Sandusky did this sickens me. I am trying to figure out if he retired in '99 because of being forced out once he was finally caught by someone. I agree that the AD needs to go to jail though since it looks like he covered it up along with PSU police.

he followed SCHOOL policy, in that he reported it to his boss, which is true in name only, since he's in charge there.

how you don't go to the police, ever, is sickening and shows putting the football program ahead of law and morality.

What about the fact that he didn't see anything himself? Penn State also has their own police department. From my understanding they are just as much a legit police force as the state college police. It isn't a bunch of security guards with walkie talkies. How is it Paterno's fault if the head of the police doesn't follow up completely in a proper way?

the other two are being charged with failure to report the crime, so it makes sense if he knew, which is being acknowledged, that he should too. It's also more than just knowing about this one time. at least 20 of the 40 counts occurred while he was working under paterno, many in the locker room and on school grounds. there's a reason that paterno made him give back his key to school buildings after he retired, too.

Since nobody was coming forward and helping nail this guy, paterno talking to authorities would have helped greatly. instead, in at least one fo the cases, he waits a day to go talk to his boss about it. Wow, kudos, joe.

also, joe and mcqueary sat there for a week and a half after that, while authorities weren't told. they had plenty of chances to help out

I thought Paterno only heard of one instance and then reported it? I also thought that Paterno hearing about that one incident is what resulted in Sandusky not be allowed to use PSU facilities for his charity anymore. I have only read Fred's link so far. It only seemed to paint the AD and head of police in a negative light.

i find it hard to believe a guy is charged with 20 counts and you don't know its going on. it's pretty well-documented that paterno and sandusky werne't talking anymore before he retired, and i just think its naive to believe nobody knew after several eye witness accounts, some while sandusky was actually committing the act

That is so bizarre to me. Who catches something like that going on and hides it from the police after seeing it with their own eyes? I don't understand how a decade passes before he is charged after people caught him in the act.

I find this whole story disturbing. I had only good memories of sandusky retiring after their failed national championship run to conclude a great career so he could concentrate on family and charity prior to this disgusting story emerging.

yeah, that's the worst part: starting this foundation for kids and then using it as a talent search

That's the thing about pedophiles, their whole lives revolve around finding and grooming children to molest.

The grand jury report is disturbing

extremely. they only had about 100 chances to do something about this

Joe will use this as motivation to "make another run".

KB while I agree all should be punished, I'm not sure how far the law allows people who did nothing to report a crime can be. That Joe knew of the incident and reported it up and did nothing while others covered it up doesn't seem like something he should be jailed for, but I'm not a lawyer and know little on how this takes depraved indifference, but it seems jail time for his actions might be setting a precedent. I'd like to hear Flesh's take on that actually.

I'm not disagreeing I'm just curious how the law deals with it.

That article's premise is a smidge RAH-tarded, in that he states that if this results in convictions, then Joe should be gone. This thing won't even come to trial before next season starts, let alone when a decision needs to be made on Paterno for next year.


I do agree that if Paterno knew about it at all then his public persona suggests he would and should be more proactive, much like that article suggested should have been his course of action. The amazing thing is, and I was just up in State College last month, is the entire Hero Worship Culture of him up there, I mean I went in Nittany Mall and there was a sports memoribilia shop with a LARGE, signed, picture of his legs and shoes on gameday, with the rolled up pants and Nikes. WTF? Make no mistake, I love the guy and respected the hell out of him until....about 1998 or so when he absolutely should have gotten the hell out at age 72 or whatever he was at the time.

I mean, theres no question he knew, its how long you want to argue he knew.

Lyte, like I mentioned above, the two are facing charges for failing to tell authorities. Not sure of the punishmentis for that, but I was only half serious about putting paterno in jail.

Am I the one you are referring to as arguing?

Im just saying thats the only point we can argue, since he did know. Just how long it was.

But what makes you think/so sure he knew, I have not read the indictment or anything, just asking what makes you so sure? I am no Paterno apologist I am just not quick to assume or indict someone on something as monstrous as that.

Bc every report has mentioned he did, and he is going to be a witness for the prosecution. Mcquery told him, he waited a day, then told curry.

Got it KB, difference between what he deserves and what the law will enforce.

If he gets removed from the program I think that will hurt him more than prison anyway.

To paraphrase Howard Baker "What did Joe Paterno know and when did he know it?"

Depending on the answer to that question dictates if he's allowed to stay/gone/wearing high-waters & depends in jail.

And if I were Sandusky, I wouldn't want to be "the pedophile who got JoePa fired" in a Pennsylvania prison.

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