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Talk about not sure if serious...what are you guys saying? Public polling decides cases?

Beyond that, the polling is a little more complex that what BMA offered, I'm certain.

he's saying public opinion does decide cases. that's how juries work

Right, but the actual juries and "public opinion" don't often have much in common. I didn't follow the case, but that Casey Anthony trial seemed to be a great recent example. Everyone in the world thought she was guilty and she got off.

If public opinion decided cases how did OJ get off in the murder trial

Byars you're a fool

and how many cases did the public think the person was guilty and he was? if that's how you want to argue it we could do it forever

And i meant quite literally the public opinion, not polls, decides cases. i'm not sure if bma thinks polls relate to cases or not

Byars, how many times did Michael Jackosn get off?

R. Kelly, they had him on tape with his face in the camera...

Or the LA police in the Rodney King case?


Public opinion didn't mean a hill of beans in those widely publicized cases

as i said in my second post on the matter, juries are public opinion.

as an aside, you can keep naming cases, but i'd be interested to see how overall, not just picking and choosing, it matches up

btw fred, jackson settled out of court mostly, right?

and the public gave 0 shits about r kelly

Wouldn't it be more incumbent on those making the claim to prove there's a strong correlation between public polling (general public opinion) and jury decisions?

I don't know the answer for certain, but the fact that there are so many high profile examples off the top of my head where the jury went against public consensus...I'd wager BMA's poll doesn't predict much about the outcome of the case. It's perhaps a better predictor of how much rioting we can expect or from whom.

I guess he has a 50/50 chance of being right, though.

I think the big issue with juries vs. public consensus is the jury is selected and not necessarily representative of the population.

as an aside, you can keep naming cases, but i'd be interested to see how overall, not just picking and choosing, it matches up


I'm just naming high profile cases where the "public" did have an opinion, not just obscure ones where nobody gave a shit like you probably are going to name

Also, what really shouldn't be lost on us here is BMA is rooting for an outcome and I don't think anyone else is. It's his latest bizarre twist on trolling.

f-d, they're selected from the public, though, they're not specially trained experts or anything. they're people that the prosecution and defense are basic, normal people in public. that's all i meant. i don't know about the poll thing, and don't think bma meant it like that.

fred, i need to see pub poll numbers for your cases. jackson doesn't count, and nobody cared about r kelly. i don't remember what the other cases were like. you're not giving numbers, though

Also, what really shouldn't be lost on us here is BMA is rooting for an outcome and I don't think anyone else is. It's his latest bizarre twist on trolling.

that's def true

I don't really care, but in the even he gets off, I've already fashioned a sign reading "Black Owned" for the front window of my brownstone

fred, i need to see pub poll numbers for your cases. jackson doesn't count, and nobody cared about r kelly. i don't remember what the other cases were like. you're not giving numbers, though


I was just naming cases where they actually take polls on the guilt or innocence of the defendant- maybe you can do the research and come back with a bar graph

as i said in my second post on the matter, juries are public opinion.


And you're still wrong.

The public isn't privy to undisclosed evidence in the case, and the lawyers on either side have a huge effect on the outcome.

Just because your Aunt Martha thinks someone is guilty, doesn't mean the people on the jury will vote that way

but they pick from the public you dumb shit

Yeah, and the defense makes a concerted effort to pick people that don't have preconceived opinions you fuckin imbecile

f-d, they're selected from the public, though, they're not specially trained experts or anything. they're people that the prosecution and defense are basic, normal people in public. that's all i meant. i don't know about the poll thing, and don't think bma meant it like that.

I get all that, but the jury sampling doesn't always represent the public. For example, if a jury has 3 black members, it's 3 times more African American than the population. The other issue is when the jury is sequestered in big cases (they only get the court room stuff and none of the national dialogue).

The biggest deal is probably lurking variables in the their individual histories. You're taking the entire population and boiling them down to 6 or 12 people, so 1 person with 1 unique experience represents millions.

In short, I just don't think the poll means much.

did i say they had preconceived notions you piece of trash?

In short, I just don't think the poll means much.
and that was never my argument, but think it could be indicative of what people think

Sorry...didn't know we were demeaning each other now.

EDIT: YOU ARE RETARDS!

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