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The dvd cover for that one could be a big mac instead of the sacrament

FD, I didn't know that Garcia was playing the fans by throwing out a few "I luv yous". Just speculation?

I just think Garcia is very media saavy. I think he really enjoyed his time with the Eagles and would genuinely like to return, but all the fans are here is a bargaining chip for local endorsements and FA money.

If they say "Passionate" once every 6 weeks and play well, the WIP masses fall all over themselves to blow the guy.

If the player says something like "I want to explore my optins" or "the fans don't see what we see in the film room", that player is normally attacked or discredited.

Latest rumor, courtesy of ESPN Radio's Dan Patrick Show is McNabb to the Bears . . . FWIW (not much, IMO)

Actually, that'd make sense for Supa 5. Chicago native and despiser of all things Philly cept for the paycheck.

Was it actually a rumor, or just a journalist trying to think up a trade that would "make sense" (like McNabb to Detroit)?

Probably the latter KB . . . I just heard it in passing on the radio program yesterday. Sounded more like conjecture than anything, that's why I said take it FWIW.

But in theory, it would make sense since #5 is from the Chicago area and the Bears would seem to be set in most of their skill positions (though they have to decide on Thomas Jones and Cedric Benson is looking like a bit of a stiff to me, and their coaching situation is still in the air with both Lovie and Rivera coaching without extensions) aside form the gaping hole at QB.

It won't happen though. For one thing, the fat man ain't trading #5 and I don't think the Bears can put together a package that would entice the Birds to think about it.

I think McNabb put all trade rumors to rest at this point.

The Bears wouldn't even be able to swing a deaql that could pry McNabb away if they wanted to. Some of us have different ideas on trade value, but the next to last pick in each round wouldn't be enough if the Bears traded the entire draft.

As much as I'll look like an idiot for saying this, but Rex isn't a horrible QB. Right now he's still learning and he needs to get some fundamental issues out of the way first.

They stuck with him throughout the season, so it wouldn't make much sense for them to get another QB in there. Besides, poor QB play didn't kill the Bears from jump street.

Just another instance of a radio guy trying to start ish by putting a thought in people's heads. Besides, like FD said, their entire draft alone wouldn't be able to do it - it would take a trade so large that it would make Ricky Williams to the Saints look like McMullen for Baskett.

The guy blows. There's no reason he should have been a first round pick. He had one great college season, and was about to lose his job, so he declared for the draft. This was his fourth year in the league, and he really hasn't shown much improvement.

I agree...Grossman blows.

The real rub is even if he's good and "just needs more time", he is going into the last year of his contract.

You can't give the guy a long term deal and he won't want a lowball 2 year deal.

They are in a spot where they almost have to look to the future.

So what else is out there for the Bears?

I think that Grossman can be effective given time. Not great, but effective. Even so, is there anything out there for the Bears to pick up?

You'd think they could do one of two things - either pick another QB in the draft and sign a QB that might give them the best chance to win now (Garcia, for example, but it may not have to be him), or they stick with Grossman and hope he pans out.

Either way, they need a quality backup, because the guys they have now just won't cut it.

Side note - Asskiss said that Feeley was promised the backup spot next year, since the Birds weren't confident in being able to sign Garcia after this year. Not to mention that if Garcia stays, AJ will probably go, since he'll be in the last year of his contract, and Garcia will demand at least 2 more.

We'll all find out what Chicago will do. If I was in charge, I'd be plannign the next step.

If you don't know what you have in a QB after 4 years on your roster, you probably don't have anything.

I know he's been hiurt and it's fucked up/derailed his career, but if I'm in Chicago I have to look at the long term future and you can't bank on this guy.

After 4 years in the league, he should have known his reads inside and out. Rivers sat on the bench for 2 seasons, but he learned the textbook stuff while he ws there.

The other thing is Grossman got worse as the season went on. What that normally means is teams got film on him and figured him out.

If he was an actual rookie or 2nd year player with a couple years left on his deal, I'd say they shoudl give him another year to see if he improves and bring in a veteran just in case.

As is, I think they have to be considering drafting a QB if they see one they like.

At the same time you bring up your Rivers comparison, Brees was considered a scrub and was able to pull it together. So there's no guarantee that you'll be able to draft something better.

I'm not trying to sound like I'm set in stone with the Bears keeping Grossman. I don't think he can be a great QB, but I still think he can be a respectable one.

The thing that makes it confusing is his stats, specifically his QB ratings. He's had some games where his rating was incredible, and had some where it's been abysmal. If anything, I'd label him as "inconsistent". It was even on display in the SB, where he had a very good QB rating (skewered by the fact that he only threw like 10 passes and one of them was a TD).

I'm just not sure the Bears are in a position to get someone better who can take them farther than Grossman can, and the only guys that might be available (Garcia, maybe Leftwich) would be coming into a different system.

Look, I hope you're right. I hope the Bears hitch their wagon to Grossman because they are in the NFC and I want them to have a terrible QB. He fits the bill.

In the first 7 games last season, he had a QB rating over 98 in 5 of those contests and had a 13/7 TD/INT ratio.

In his final 9 games (November and December), he had a 10/13 TD/INT ratio and had 4 games with a QB rating under 40.

In 5 of those games he failed to complete more than 50% of his passes.

He was putrid.

He also single handedly lost the Super for the Bears. If he could just manage the offense, they would have won.

I just hate him as a player. Hate him.

A 10.2 QB rating against the Cardinals? 0.0 rating against the Packers? 1.3 rating against the Vikings?

He had an up and down season, but the lows were so brutally low I don't know how you can hitch your wagon to the guy.

BTW, Brees didn't exactly "suck". His first full year starting was better than all of Grossman's years. He had one setback his second year as a starter, and has had three great seasons since. Plus, he had a strong pedigree as a QB in college. Grossman had one flukey season and was about to lose his job.

Also, take a look at the football outsiders site. They have stats on QB, and adjust their rankings to take teams played into account. Grossman was the 31st ranked QB in the NFL last year.

His first full year starting was better than all of Grossman's years. He had one setback his second year as a starter, and has had three great seasons since.

If the Chargers were so sure that Brees would become the QB he is today, they wouldn't have drafted Rivers in the first place. My point was only that they gave up too quickly on him. It doesn't happen often, and more times than not the opposite is true (like Kordell).

Look, you won't find me saying Grossman's the next Brees. I never intimated that he was even great. But the Bears are in a curious situation. I believe they have enough on their team to return to the Super Bowl, but they do need better QB play. The question comes from whether or not the Bears want to keep going with Grossman (since Lovie made it known before that they were 10-2 with him as the starter), or if they want to test the waters with someone else, and I think their thinking is that they'd rather take their lumps with Grossman than to take a chance with someone out there (and really, who's out there that can carry them the rest of the way?). And I think Grossman can be serviceable.

And FD, I don't think he single-handedly cost them the game. He shares some blame with the defense, who couldn't get off the field.

His numbers show he hasn't even been serviceable, so are you thinking he can improve? I'm not sure he can, especially given his history.

And, you could say the Chargers made a mistake. They weren't patient, and got another QB pretty quickly. They could have used that #1 on something else, and still had Brees back there. But that doesn't mean Brees stunk for a while.

And FD, I don't think he single-handedly cost them the game. He shares some blame with the defense, who couldn't get off the field.

The way I looked at it was this: If they had Garcia, they would be Super Bowl Champions right now.

A journeyman backup who was signed for about $1.5 million would have been able to execute well enough to get them a win in that game.

The Bears D had it's troubles, but it was a 5 point game with 10 minutes to go.

BTW, does "serviceable" mean "doesn't fumble every snap"? If so, I think Grossman may have room for improvement.

I'll revise "stunk" to "didn't live up to lofty expectations". But my point still stands.

Garcia makes them SB champs? It'd be interesting if the Bears' GM thought the same way. If anything they do need a good QB in there, because Orton and Griese aren't good enough.

And if they go with Garcia, that means they'll pick someone out of the draft, which means another couple of years before he's ready.

I'm not saying they shouldn't go in that direction (who could they get?), but I can see why they'd want to stick with Grossman. Even if he were upgraded to "serviceable", they believe that'd be enough.

The one thing I did find humorous was when he fumbled the snap on the exchange and was still going through his 7-step drop without the football.

"But my point still stands."

The only point made was that the Chargers were completely wrong and weren't patient enough.

As should the Bears.

How can the defense get off the field when you throw two INT's and fumble it away?

The two INT's were brutal and his decision making was awful in the series b/w the INT's.

No doot aboot it...Rexy lost that game for the Bears. Even headed into the locker room, he couldn't move the ball into FG range. Weak.

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