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"If he can't take it... tough shit. Go play for the Raiders. Believe me the Eagles would somehow survive."

Johnson~
What would you suggest the plan of attack be? Trade Mcnabb and....? Convince we would be in a better, or even comparable position? That's the thing, eagles fans love to say "tough shit, get the fuck out" but I don't believe they completely comprehend how damaging it would be for the chances of this team winning a superbowl. Its INSANE.

mlewis -

It's not all that improbable that McNabb threw up on that field. You figure that the last time he was in that stadium he hurled (and drove the team down for a TD, since you generally feel better after tossing chunks), and he was doing MORE work in there, so why is it so far fetched?

Fraley and Runyan told it like it was before McNabb changed his story.

And if he were knocked loopy, then he'd have a problem throwing the TD on that same drive.

Still, the last drive doesn't take away the fact that it was a bad day for both the coach and the QB, who despite his stats came up with some killer INTs and sacks that left points on the board.

"If you have watched the game more than once, you woudl notice that he got blindsided about 4 times in a span of 12 plays, the last knocking him silly."

I see... so you're saying he's a pussy who can't read a blitz.

I was just gonna take Runyan's and Fraley's word on the tired thing as per their post game comments. My bad.

Just waiting for Johnny to bring up "Cover Zero"...

i don't disagree bass, I'm saying that it is irrelevant in discussing Donovan Mcnabb the person or player and had as much to do with the protection problems than it did his cardio. People love harping on that moment. IT shows how stupid the 'siders can be because if you wanted to bash #5 there was ample opportunities when looking at that super bowl game. Yet 99% of the 'siders immediately point out that he threw up....(and delivered the best play of the game immediately after that)

I'm not suggesting trade McNabb at all. I'm just not effectively saying that McNabb would likely encounter harsh criticism just about anywhere. Except for Arizona I would think because they're clueless... I probably should have chosen Arizona for my example instead of Oakland.

But I don't believe the Eagles would be doomed for the next 6 years if McNabb left for some reason. In fact, the ideal scenario for me would be to keep McNabb and scale back his importance in the offense. Make the offense less McNabb-centric. The play of Garcia showed this is possible. I'd like the Eagles to run the Eagles offense (with Garcia) with McNabb.

As much as it's Reid's fault for not adjusting during THE BIGGEST GAME OF HIS LIFE, McNabb does get some knocks for making crucial mistakes.

The last minute drive defines McNabb during that game as much as 4th and 15 defines Reid from last week. Both had ample opportunities to put the game away - and both failed miserably. The 2:00 Drive That Wasn't was just the most apparent one.

If Manning wins the big one, it'll be even worse for McNabb, as the only guy who's above him without a ring will have his, leaving McNabb as the best present QB who can't get it done.

But could McNabb deal with having his McLeader role reduced?

The only way he'll have his McLeader role reduced is if he becomes a WR. Just the nature of the position.

"Just the nature of the position."

f-dallas would tell you 3 time Super Bowl Champion Troy Aikman was a "Game Manager."

Sorry to drag you into this f-dallas but I had to make the point.

I know, I know... I should keep you outta my mouf!

I see McNabb is three ways. The person, player and the "persona". As a player, McNabb will make you cheer and boo in the same game.

As a persona, the rest of the country sees him as big smiles. A guy who laughs, and has been in Super Bowl and multiple Pro-Bowls.

As an Eagle fan, I see him as a guy who is a good Quarterback with a highly annoying personality. In fact, I think the guy is a phony. I get tired of his BS comments, and sulking when things don't go well. I don't think he's a real leader, and has shown to be extremely sensitive, if not just mentally weak.
McNabb is the kind of guy you would like to have as a neighbor (without the throwing up) Waves and says hello when he see's you. Keeps quite, and not going to be a problem. You could drink a beer with him and shoot the shit, but he's just not the all world QB people make him out to be.

f-dallas would tell you 3 time Super Bowl Champion Troy Aikman was a "Game Manager."

Is that similar to calling Reno Mahe a "football player"?

I'm not suggesting trade McNabb at all. I'm just not effectively saying that McNabb would likely encounter harsh criticism just about anywhere. Except for Arizona I would think because they're clueless... I probably should have chosen Arizona for my example instead of Oakland.

It's possible, but I also think Philly fans (on average) fail to recognize how good he is and choose to focus on the blasting him for the little things. If you watch any QB week in and week out, you can harp on the flaws of their game.

Drew Brees, for instance, was the best QB in the league this year. Yesterday, he didn't see the blitz at all. He couldn't hit the broad side of a barn with his passes. He was jumpy. He took 3 points off the board on their first drive by taking a stupid sack on 3rd down. He fumbled twice. He threw a pick.

That intentional grounding in the end zone was one of the dumbest brain farts I've ever seen a QB make.

He was putrid.

In Peter King's Monday Morning QB (under "this is what I liked about Championship weekend), we get this: "d. Drew Brees' grittiness."

Give me a freakin' break. Would McNabb have gotten a pass on that performance?

With Manning, you have to give him all the respect, but he's got a 66.8 QB rating in the playoffs this year. The headlines are "Manning Finally Did It". McNabb would have been picked apart on this board and everywhere else with such shameful stats in the post season. In fact, if the Eagles re-signed Garcia and went to the Super Bowl next year with McNabb's playoff numbers mirroring Manning's from this season, I guarantee the papers, radio, TV, and fans would be calling for Garcia to start in the Super Bowl. They would say the Eagles are winning "In spite of McNabb".

Brady, the immortal, has ended 2 straight Patriots playoff runs with INTs. After the loss last night, he walked off the field without congratulating Manning, who so many times congratulated Brady on the same stage. The guy probably deserves a pass, but he will not be criticized for either of those crimes.

Time, and time, and time, and time again I watch a QB for 60 minutes and say "Geez...that was a stupid mistake" and "What the hell is the matter with that guy".

McNabb can win a game with a cast of scrubs all by himself and the next day, the topic of discussion will be "Did you see that worm burner on the first drive?"

It's a joke. It really is.

Manning. Brady. McNabb. Over the past 8 years, it's those 3 guys and everyone else trailing behind, yet he's the most criticized player in professional football and some fans...more than we'd like to admit...would give him up for a 37 year old jouneyman.

I believe Barkley said it best when he said Philly loves an overachiever. Someone who doesn't have all the tools/talent, but gets it done on grit and sheer determination.

This is why Garcia was such a huge hit. He probably doesn't have 1/5th the talent/athletic ability of McNabb, but somehow was still able to get it done. I'd personally rather lose with someone who gave it all on the field (Dykstra, Barkley, Rowand) than win with someone who is coasting (Abreu, A-rod).

I think one of the main problems people here have with McNabb is he just doesn't seem to be living up to his potential on the big stage, and is way too sensitive to boot.

Side notes

Agree that Brady running off the field yesterday was totally classless. After every time Manning stood there and took it, Brady ran like a baby.

Also, f-d, what'd you expect Brees to do on the safety? He was about 1 second away from getting tackled? If he throws it wildly towards a receiver, it has a great chance of getting picked off and run back for a TD. Don't see that he had any choice but to hope for someone to be in the vicinity. At least it's not a guaranteed safety like a sack would be.

Don't see that he had any choice but to hope for someone to be in the vicinity.

If your QB doesn't even know the play, then you're in DEEP trouble and the least of your worries is a Pick-Six.

Also, f-d, what'd you expect Brees to do on the safety? He was about 1 second away from getting tackled? If he throws it wildly towards a receiver, it has a great chance of getting picked off and run back for a TD. Don't see that he had any choice but to hope for someone to be in the vicinity. At least it's not a guaranteed safety like a sack would be.

Ummm...he sat there for about 4 seconds and no one was near him when he choked on that one.

He could have simply rolled out of the tackle box and threw it away or tried to get out of the end zone and at least play another down.

Hell, I'm not 100% certain of the rule on this, but he probably could have fired the ball into the back of one of his lineman and just picked up a penalty instead of a safety.

"Brady, the immortal, has ended 2 straight Patriots playoff runs with INTs. After the loss last night, he walked off the field without congratulating Manning, who so many times congratulated Brady on the same stage."

Damn... white on white crime.

I heard Brady stayed on the field and watched the Colts celebrate the AFC Championship to capture the feeling of being McNabb.

Damn... white on white crime.

I don't consider him to be as white as me, because his childhood included some hardship.

You should see the vacation home his parents have. Can you say "cabin"! My family wouldn't have grounded me in such filthy conditions.

It's just a difference in the way we were raised, I guess.

I heard Brady stayed on the field and watched the Colts celebrate the AFC Championship to capture the feeling of being McNabb

That was top notch, Johnny.

And Mlewis: Don't h8

I'd personally rather lose with someone who gave it all on the field (Dykstra, Barkley, Rowand) than win with someone who is coasting (Abreu, A-rod).

I will never, ever understand this way of thinking.

Nor will I.

Winning = Good

Losing = Bad

Winning = Good

Losing = Bad

Winning it all = sorry, not familiar with that. I'm only 40.

Barkley loafed on defense and Dykstra was too roided up not to play hard.

***This is why Garcia was such a huge hit. He probably doesn't have 1/5th the talent/athletic ability of McNabb, but somehow was still able to get it done.***


Yes he certainly did "GET IT" done.

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