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Just thinking about that Carolina game gives me nightmares. McNabb wasn't playing all that well, but only 1 of those INts (if that) was his fault and those WRs got abused.

Garcia is also 37 and has never played well in the playoffs other than one brilliant comeback. Never been past the divisional round. He barely beat a .500 team at home to get his win this year. Two years at the end of his career as he apporoaches 40 with a young receiver won't be enough to push him over the hump no matter how good the WR is. And where does that leave you once he's done? Best to keep a star at that position for his full career and worry about replacing him later. It's a safer, smarter bet.

And you don't really know who the coaches in the East will be. Coughlin is likely out after this year,
Gibbs probably on his way soon, and the Cowboys are undecided. Either way, you gotta worry about your own team first.

Garcia was also called on to do a lot more in San Fran.

We're not talking about Garcia's and McNabb's roles in 2001. We're talking about a scaled-down passing attack with Westbrook. Not throwing 35 times a game to Thrash and Pinkston with Staley and Buckhalter (mostly).

If it's McNabb with a scaled-down passing attack, then you're not really losing much going to Garcia. He didn't have to do anything special, he just had to keep mistakes to a minimum. If that's the case, as f-d and I stressed a few times, there isn't a big loss

"Either way, you gotta worry about your own team first."

I wasn't saying the Eagles should worry about the other coaches in the division. I was just pointing out how weak the league and division were.

Disagree, but I think we have reached an impasse.

Garcia is also 37 and has never played well in the playoffs other than one brilliant comeback. Never been past the divisional round. He barely beat a .500 team at home to get his win this year. Two years at the end of his career as he apporoaches 40 with a young receiver won't be enough to push him over the hump no matter how good the WR is. And where does that leave you once he's done? Best to keep a star at that position for his full career and worry about replacing him later. It's a safer, smarter bet.

And you don't really know who the coaches in the East will be. Coughlin is likely out after this year,
Gibbs probably on his way soon, and the Cowboys are undecided. Either way, you gotta worry about your own team first.

Look, whether trading McNabb makes sense or not right now is debatable.

The whole point was IF things were shaky between McNabb and the organization, woudl Garcia, QB of the future, and best player in the draft be the better direction?

If you believe McNabb is going to win a couple Super Bowls in the next 5 years, the answer is absolutely no.

If you aren't sure or REALLY like the players you could grab in the draft, you consider it.

BTW, f-d, isn't this the same philosophy from when I said the Phils could trade Utley and Howard since they wouldn't win anything with them here?

Hey, hey... don't bring your stinkin' baseball talk into the 'Bleeds!

What's most distressing to me is that a team with the 32nd ranked rush defense, widely known as a "fast" defense, just won the Super Bowl.

All the vindication FB needs.

BTW, f-d, isn't this the same philosophy from when I said the Phils could trade Utley and Howard since they wouldn't win anything with them here?

Refresh me on the details?

What's most distressing to me is that a team with the 32nd ranked rush defense, widely known as a "fast" defense, just won the Super Bowl.

All the vindication FB needs.

No shit...I felt the exact same way.

I'm certain the Eagles will bring that up the entire off-season, too. They'll fail to bring up any other aspect of the team, (two HIGHLY paid WRs, over 200 rushign yards in the game, ball control offense, etc.), but I'm almost certain we'll see a couple comments about the Colts small, quick defense with unknown linebackers playing great defense inthe playoffs and showing the philosophy can work.

Honestly, I don't remember all the details. I think my point was nobody on the team should be untouchable, especially if you think they're not going to win here. But there could be details that I'm forgetting that make them differencet scenarios.

(two HIGHLY paid WRs, over 200 rushign yards in the game, ball control offense, etc.)

...a quarterback who can audible...

I remember the discussion, but the details are blurry.

I guess no player is ever completely untouchable.

Correction:

A QB who gets to call many offensive plays, NOT just audible. Plus, he has (as stated) one of the best WR tandems in football, an excellent TE and TWO RBs that aren't scatbacks, and is the least sacked QB in history. Oh yeah, he smokes Cover 0 defenses like McNabb hits Camel Lights.

from peter king's article today:

Where would I rank Favre right now? Okay, here we go. I say 10. My order:

1. Peyton Manning. 2. Tom Brady. 3. Drew Brees. 4. Carson Palmer. 5. Marc Bulger. 6. Matt Hasselbeck. 7. Philip Rivers. 8. Donovan McNabb. 9. Tony Romo. 10. Brett Favre. 11. Ben Roethlisberger. 12. Matt Leinart. 13. Vince Young. 14. Chad Pennington. 15. Jay Cutler.

i am assuming he is basing his ranking with mcnabb's injury in mind.

Nah man, Peter King has always been anti Mcnabb. I wouldnt be shocked at all if he was ranking him pre-injury.

Correct. King has been saying "McNabb stinks" since day one and finally, because he could no longer say he sucked any longer, admitted "he's better than I thought he'd be".

By ranking him where he did, he gets to be right about McNabb sucking, but still prove his theory that McNabb is average compared to other starting NFL QBs.

I laugh at the notion of Hasselbeck being better. Of course, he got love because he's in Washington, home of Starbucks and their Favre-flavored lattes.

Some of the Things King has said over the years:

- McNabb isn't accurate enough to be a great player

- McNabb is overrated and not among the top 10 Qbs in football.

- He's too inconsistent to ever be called a "premier QB".

- From about 1 week before their Super Bowl run: "I love Brian Westbrook, and my gut tells me he'll be more Tiki Barber than Amos Zereoue, a little back who can touch it 320 times and stay healthy. If he can't, Philadelphia's in big trouble, because I don't think Donovan McNabb's the kind of keep-the-chains-moving, eat-the-clock quarterback you need in a runner-weak offense."

- He's said he blames McNabb more for the Eagles post season failure than he does Manning for the Colts failures (when asked in the past abotu why he "crucifies" Dear Leader and "roots for" Manning to win).

- Here's Peter King's list of the Top 15 QBs in the NFL in August 2004:

1. Peyton Manning
2. Tom Brady
3. Steve McNair
4. Brett Favre
5. Trent Green
6. Jake Plummer
7. Daunte Culpepper
8. Chad Pennington
9. Donovan McNabb
10. Mike Vick
11. Jeff Garcia
12. Matt Hasselbeck
13. Marc Bulger
14. Brad Johnson
15. Mark Brunell

See the trick? He just keeps McNabb in the same spot where he doesn't think he can be accused of hating on him for no reason and changes out all the other QBs around him for new guys he's "rooting" for.

King isn't a a full blown hater, but he's like most other media guys out there. They form an opinion and spend the rest of the time trying to defend why they were right no matter what else changes.

Oh...the other one I remembered was from immediatly after the ACL:

"You have to wonder about McNabb's future now, because of the injury history and because he'll turn 31 next year. Is he ever going to be the Super Bowl-winning quarterback Andy Reid thought he was getting in the '99 draft?"

I like how he CONVENIENTLY forgets how he and the rest of the media blowhards were touting the '99 QB draft as one of the best drafts in years.

Or the fact that McNabb was having an MVP season early in the year.

If you're going to hate on the man, at least have a decent excuse other than "He's no Brett Favre".

If you're going to hate on the man, at least have a decent excuse other than "He's no Brett Favre".

Or showing off his reporting chops last week with the "where there's smoke, there's fire" comment on the McNabb being angry with Reid/trade to Detroit story.

Wow what a lazy journalist. Such a hack. If he was more knowledgeable passionate, and loyal to his profession he's have DMac WAY higher. He's just a h8r like mean ole Merrill Hoge.

LOVE THE HATE!!!! THEY ARE OUT TO GET US!!!

Out of curiosity, you don't think Hoge hates the Eagles?

Other journalists even make fun of him for it.

Haters absolutely, 100% exist in pro sports. Journalists normally are forced to make snap judgements and they have two choices once they've been proven wrong: Say "I was wrong" or find ways to continue proving their point.

This is true of Maning haters, Vick haters, and any other kind of hater.

Howard Eskin, cerified Manning hater, was leading his show after the Super Bowl with "Rhodes was robbed by the lazy media because the NFL decided Manning as the MVP was a better story".

Just the way it goes. I know you aren't that naive to the ways of the world, EAG.

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