f-dallas

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2/27/2007 10:06 AM




Late to the party, but this was a good move.

Garcia did an amazing job last year, but he wasn't worth a lot of money and he's very old.

This market will likely give him an opportunity to start somewhere and a lot more money, so there wasn't much the Birds could do.

I understand Garcia's agent not wanting to sign before he hit FA and tested the waters, but I also understand the Eagles not wanting to be a pawn in their game.

Since they didn't feel like it was going to happen, they went ahead and extended AJ, who should be able to perform about as well as Garcia did down the stretch.

It would have been nice to have Garcia back, but it wasn't important. Good luck to him in the future.




silver_n_blue

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2/27/2007 2:23 PM




You guys can be very funny. There is no way the eagles would have made the playoffs with McNabb. He was killing them. Funny how some can forget. anyways.....

QB Garcia disappointed with Eagles
By Associated Press
Mon Feb 26, 7:58 PM
PHILADELPHIA - Jeff Garcia is disappointed he never got a contract offer from the Philadelphia Eagles after leading them to five straight wins and a playoff victory following Donovan McNabb's season-ending knee injury.
``I was surprised I wasn't offered a contract. There was never anything to negotiate over,'' Garcia said Monday in an interview with Comcast SportsNet. ``We never know what it would've amounted to. It wasn't about the money. It was about being in a great situation.''
The Eagles agreed to a three-year contract extension with backup quarterback A.J. Feeley on Sunday, eliminating the chance Garcia would return to Philadelphia. Garcia, who turned 37 on Saturday, will become a free agent on Friday.
``We just wanted to have a reasonable opportunity to be respected, to be appreciated for what took place last year,'' Garcia said. ``Are there other reasons why I wasn't offered a contract? We'll never know.''
A three-time Pro Bowl quarterback in San Francisco, Garcia revived his career in Philadelphia. He completed 61.7 percent of his passes for 1,309 yards, 10 touchdowns and two interceptions.
The Eagles were 5-5 and seemingly out of the playoff picture when McNabb tore a knee ligament on Nov. 19. But with Garcia leading the way, they captured their fifth NFC East title in six years and advanced to the second round of the playoffs.
Garcia played under a one-year contract after miserable one-year stints in Cleveland and Detroit. His hard-nosed, gritty style quickly made him a fan favorite in Philadelphia.

Sounds like Donnie where's the pants in the family from what Garcia says. Haven't I heard this before..... hmmm




f-dallas

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2/27/2007 2:48 PM




You guys can be very funny. There is no way the eagles would have made the playoffs with McNabb. He was killing them. Funny how some can forget. anyways.....

Do you even watch football or do you have some form of Tourette's that includes football lingo instead of curses?




silver_n_blue

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2/27/2007 3:14 PM




A bit of both actually. FD, after reading that last post, isnt this where you flop sides on your decision?




f-dallas

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2/27/2007 3:17 PM




"Reading" might be a bit of an overstatement, in this case.

Please explain to me how I've contradicted myself?




silver_n_blue

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2/27/2007 3:18 PM




you haven't at all..................yet.




f-dallas

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2/27/2007 3:21 PM




So what position do you believe I'll be taking?

McNabb wasn't "killing" the Eagles at any time last year. The closest he came was against the Bucs, where he threw 3 INTs. However, he brought them back and they ended up losing on a 63 yard field goal.

He wasn't playing as well as he did at the beginning of the year, but wasn't even CLOSE to "killing" them.




silver_n_blue

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2/27/2007 4:03 PM




Garcia, had to win 5 in a row for them to make the playoffs, give the littel weasel some credit. ...I think you were bu tyou may be swaying already.

I was figuring more that you would be putting him down that he sucks and he sucks his moms balls and his mom wears combat boots since he kind of diss's the eagles in the column that I posted.




f-dallas

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2/27/2007 4:50 PM




He's not dissing the Eagles, in my opinion. He's mad they didn't re-sign him...

Sounds like they dissed him.

Garcia did a great job last season. I'm not going to take anything away from Garcia. I also didn't think re-signing him was critical.

I'll even go so far as to say the Eagles WOULD NOT have made the playoffs with McNabb at the helm. However, the reason they did go to the playoffs was the defense found some life and the offense went from 70/30 pass/run to an exact 50/50 attack.

They never would have considered that with McNabb leading them, but they felt they had to with the inferior Garcia and it worked.

I'm not putting down Garcia at all. His personality and fire was the spark that ignited everything, but the whole thing was lightening in a bottle.

When it came down to it, Garcia started to fade and the defense gave up 250 rushing yards in the playoff loss.

Re-signing Garcia would have been nice because he would have served as a good backup for a couple years, but that finish was a "once in a lifetime" run that is over and can't be re-captured.

Feeley is fine as a backup, though.

The only thing that really matters is the pass/run balance. Hopefully they will learn from that and finally scrap that bullshit offense they've been running since Reid's 3rd year.




jerobi

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2/27/2007 5:30 PM




Sour grapes.

I like how everyone was a realist as soon as the Eagles were eliminated - Garcia about his age and desire for a last paycheck, and the Eagles about how they would love him back but not for much money so it sounded unrealistic.

So now that the expected door has expected closed, it's finger pointing between Garcia and his agent, with both deciding to point at the Eagles as the bad guy.




jerobi

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2/27/2007 5:34 PM




With the Eagles refusing to play the role of early first-bid pawn, I wonder how much effect it will have on Garcia's value. We'll have to wait and see...

Speaking of the early first-bid pawn role, I hope the Eagles maintain that outlook with Stallworth. I still think an early bid is a losing bid in that one.




Airborne Eagle

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2/28/2007 2:19 PM




I don't think anyone was going to give him starting money. So, the more bids, the better if you're only going to get second string money (though, really, the more bids the better, regardless).

I think the wanted the offer so Garcia could "talk the talk" about staying with a winner to drive up other prices, show what a great guy he is, and possibly entice other teams.

Now, his agent has to work harder.




bassiladelph

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2/28/2007 2:33 PM




Figured he was trying to push himself hard by showing him throwing a deep bomb on Jay Leno.

Not very often you see a future FA promoting himself in that matter.




f-dallas

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2/28/2007 2:47 PM




I don't know if anyone else has been heaing this, but apparently Garcia's agent fucked him.

- Basically, the Eagles said he had to sign a deal before free agency opened because they weren't going to get in a bidding war. I can see both sides there on why they wouldn't want him to and why Garcia would want to test it out.

- Garcia's agent said he wouldn't negotiated before he hit FA and wanted 5 days to hit the market and assess his value. He intimated that if the Eagles didn;t give them offer before FA opened, he was gone.

- The Eagles felt like they were getting jobbed and whatver offer they laid out was going to be used as leverage to start a bidding war.

- The Eagles used comparables liek Brian Griese so they could mak an offer without giving a contract. They were supposedly will to pay over $2 million per year for 2 years.

- Garcia's agent wanted more and wouldn't even counter that discussion without a WRITTEN version of that offer.

- Birds got fed up and told AJ's agent the next QB to sign a deal with them gets to be the backup for the next few years and they knocked out a deal with AJ in two days.

Now, let's keep an eye on what Garcia gets. If it's less than $3 million per, his agent screwed him by being greedy.

All this nonsesne about him "not getting an offer" is just sour grapes because his agent got burned playign with fire. They knew the value the Eagles had placed on him whether they had an ofer in writing.




Seth in 736

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2/28/2007 2:53 PM




I think 1 of the normal lapdogs for the Philly papers had this (tho not AS detailed) and I actually buy it.

All I needed was his agent FIRST admidtnig that there was a 5 day window request....then him writing into PFT.COM saying there was NEVER such a request.

Had to save face. He blew this one big time.




f-dallas

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2/28/2007 3:05 PM




His agent said he wanted 5 days on Daily News Live, too. Sad...




Seth in 736

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2/28/2007 3:10 PM




I know.
I mean, I know WHY he had to save face- cos the next thing his client knows- he's gettin a letter directly from the Eagles Brass, and he calls his agent lisping "WTF!?".

Garcia made no secret he wasnt happy with receivin the letter.

Hilarious.




Airborne Eagle

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2/28/2007 3:22 PM




Im just reminded of Johnson's comment about two years ago.

The most exciting news in the free agent off-season has been the backup QB.

Yippee.

I'm not saying there's a lot to do, even if they had the space. Just a comment.




f-dallas

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2/28/2007 3:32 PM




I'm not saying there's a lot to do, even if they had the space. Just a comment.

And the cap room thing is a fake-out anyway. They have a lot tied up in roster bonuses this year and could create a lot of aditional space easily, but they are content with the "how can we compete with the 49ers and their $40 million" defense since they'd rather not be involved in the fray anyway.




f-dallas

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3/1/2007 4:43 PM




BTW, Garcia is leaninG toward signing with the Raiders.

F-R-A-U-D.

Not taking anything away from what he did, but after a week of bitching from his agent about it "not being about the money" and "wanting to play for a winner", he's about to sign with the worst team in professional football?

Yeah.




bassiladelph

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3/1/2007 4:47 PM




That actually makes sense, because of his showing on Jay Leno.

Maybe I'm putting too much into it, but I gathered from his appearance there that he wanted to play for a team on the West Coast (otherwise he would've been on Letterman, if you read into these sort of things).

If he didn't re-sign with Philly, I thought he would've gone for a WC team. But if he's going to sign with the Raiders? Suicide.




bassiladelph

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3/3/2007 10:31 AM




WIP (for entertainment purposes only) is reporting that Garcia is close to signing a deal with the Bucs.




yo_met

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3/3/2007 12:16 PM




Yo,

First of all, the precept to this question 'that both McNabb ad Garcia are healthy for next season' is incorrect. Therefore this is somewhat of a silly debate.

The fact is, McNabb may indeed NOT be healthy for next season and may still require some healing time well into the 2007 schedule. Who knows how stable his knee will be then? No one knows now, and it is ridiculous to set-up a strawman debate, let alone the future of the franchise's QB situation, based on this false precept.

Moreover, McNabb has a huge propensity for going-down with injuries for large portions of the the season. Witness the past 4 out of 5 seasons. A QB cannot help your club win when he is continually injured. McNabb is not durable.

This gets to the point. Thank God we had Garcia last year. Thank God we had Feeley a few years back. Both performed spectacular in the back-up role and gave the club a fighting chance.

How you dump a guy like Garcia is incomprehensible to me. At 37, he has far more durability than McNabb does at 30. He's proved it on the field. No debate is necessary. Moreover, he moves the offense much better than anyone in recent memory.

The blame-it-on-the-play-calling excuse used to protect McNabb's image just won't cut it any more. It is the tail wagging the dog. McNabb just cannot conduct good hand-offs nor lead runners to the hole nor change calls at the line-of-scrimmage effectively enough. He gets confused and seemingly looses concentration when faced with a good and clever defensive scheme.

Prediction: Look for the Eagles to 'force' more running calls with McNabb to try to overcome this canard of an 'imbalanced attack', only to end up in the usual frustration of 2 and 3 yard stuffs, and a bunch of 3-and-outs. Then they will have to revert to the 80% passing game in the second half to try to catch-up because McNabb cannot run a controlled running game.

Who's really on drugs in Andy's family?






Seth in 736

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3/3/2007 3:43 PM




Banner w/ John Clark on Ch. 10-

"Jeff was anxious to explore free agency, as he said many times in many interviews, including going on Jay Leno and saying it. So, that's what he wanted to do. Whatever version of the story may be out there now, he was pretty clear and pretty public about that, and he's getting the chance to do that now. That was really the key factor," Banner said.



Ah, never talk out against "The Family".




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3/3/2007 3:56 PM




Any chance Reno Mahe is scheduled to appear on Leno?




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