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Seth in 736
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2/25/2007 2:53 PM
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Keep an eye on him in his final days here?
"Why so pessimistic Seth?"
AROUND THE NFL/BY MARK ECKEL
Sunday, February 25, 2007
According to a source with a team that might be interested in Eagles free-agent wide receiver Donte' Stallworth, his initial asking price will be high.
Stallworth and his agent, Drew Rosenhaus, want the bidding for the fleet wideout to begin at six years and $40 million, with an $18 million signing bonus.
A more realistic deal might be six years for $35 million, with $14 million in bonuses.
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Tattoo
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2/25/2007 4:37 PM
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Wow, I know he's an ok WR, but is he really worth that type of contract?!? just curious he's only had one good year and the rest struggled with injuries right?
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2/25/2007 4:44 PM
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G GS Rec Yds Avg
2002 New Orleans Saints 13 7 42 594 14.1
2003 New Orleans Saints 11 3 25 485 19.4
2004 New Orleans Saints 16 10 58 767 13.2
2005 New Orleans Saints 16 13 70 945 13.5
2006 Philadelphia Eagles 12 11 38 725 19.1
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jerobi
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2/25/2007 9:42 PM
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A more realistic deal might be six years for $35 million, with $14 million in bonuses.
Heck, give him $300M if it makes him happy, 98% payable in 2012.
Tat, I bet if you compare his second half 2006 numbers to other WRs, he comes out looking stellar. Just great enough to get himself a ticket out of Philly on a flying carpet of cash.
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2/26/2007 3:54 AM
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Well, the FO keeps the Precious.
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2/26/2007 7:58 AM
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Also, the free agent WR talent pool is quite thin and DS is the top free agent WR available. Two things are true:
1) SOMEBODY will overpay for him.
2) It won't be the Eagles.
Hello Brown, Baskett, Avant, and Project-To-Be-Named-In-April.
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Seth in 736
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2/26/2007 9:07 AM
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I wish they'd keep Stallworth, but, for all those who felt the FB is goin to go right back to All McNabb all the time when next yr starts?
Maybe without Stallworth, he wont wanna put too much pressure on Brown and young bucks and will be forced into continuing the more balanced approach that centered around RUNNING WESTBROOK BEHIND THAT INCREDIBLE OFFENSIVE LINE!>??!!?
If so, I'll TAKE IT!
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2/26/2007 9:24 AM
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Balance will happen only if McNabb gets hurt. Again.
I'd like to be wrong here, but all the signs (success due to the ground game, not putting pressure on 5 when he comes back, line that likes to maul people, WRs that are ok, if not unproven) would point to being a more balanced attack. So watch for the opposite to happen, because you've got to overthink your opponent.
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2/26/2007 10:13 AM
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Cap'n Andy admit his system was flawed and run the ball?
You've got a better chance seeing Hillary and W checking in together at the Patio Motel on Roosevelt Blvd.
JMO
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2/26/2007 11:58 AM
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If Stallworth leaves, I won't be happy. At 35 million, and a 18 million bonus, I'll sure understand why he's gone! That said, this team will need a deep threat/burner. His speed, opened up a lot of options for this offence.
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2/26/2007 12:24 PM
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Balance will happen only if McNabb gets hurt. Again.
Or maybe, MAYBE, if Reid decides to let Marty head up the offense again, and the birds then start the season strong.
At least Reid has a few easy, ego-saving excuses on why he can allow Marty to run the show again this year. Reid taking time off to handle his family business is a safe excuse, among others.
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Seth in 736
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2/26/2007 2:19 PM
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From Philly.com:
Team sources confirmed there is no chance of Garcia returning to the Eagles, and they also confirmed that the team is very unlikely to make an offer to pending free-agent wide receiver Donté Stallworth.
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2/26/2007 2:52 PM
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I liked DS but if he's gone at least he did the team a service as far as moving Simawho out of Philly and we may get a comp pick to boot..
so does this mean the FO is going to take another shot at drafting a WR or will they stand pat with the current roster???
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2/26/2007 3:03 PM
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Brown
Baskett
Avant
G-Lew
Bloom
If that's the 5 they go with next year, it might be the worst receiving corps in the NFL. I'm hard-pressed to think of one that sucks more.
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2/26/2007 3:57 PM
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SeeZakRun, it'll be a real sneak attack on defensive co-ordinators, though. Just picture their meetings:
Okay, so who are the Eagles starting wideouts?
Wait, who?
Can you write that down?
Do we have any tape on them? Anything?
Mike, check Yahoo Fantasy and see if they've heard of those guys.
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2/26/2007 7:10 PM
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I just looked at the WR lineup, its terrible. Why this team strives to settle for mediocrity and unknown on such a valuable position drives me nutz. We've been here before fellas and it was horrid. PFT reported that TJ Housmamamcxxd from Cinny wants out. Does he poses the speed needed, or is more of a possession guy.
It will be wasting that ticking time clock (Westy health, Mcnabb age).
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2/26/2007 7:19 PM
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Bloom and G-Lewis are bubble players. They will draft another WR, but the FO and Spuds the mouth piece will say how much they like Brown, Avant, Basket...how Lewis is really good in spots, and how Bloom is so fast. Then, they will talk up one of there scrubs on the practice squad. Spuds will mention something about how "insert scrubs name here" reminds him of Marcus Colston, blah..blah...BS...BS
Fact is, Brown is a very good #2 reciever, and thats it! Avant and Basket are in, but Bloom and Glewis are on the bubble. The best part is, even though the WR's will suck, they will still throw the ball 70% of time to try to prove that they don't suck. I'm pulling my hair out over shit they haven't even failed at yet. Ahhh the life of an Eagle fan.
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2/26/2007 8:21 PM
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The irony is how this team has no cap space, despite winning the trophy year in/year out. Yet, D Snyder can still have Christmas in March/April.
I'd hope they'd pull off a trade, but that isn't happening. Whatever. Reid will continue his stubborn ways.
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2/26/2007 9:47 PM
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That's just a ridiculous $ demand from StalledHammy and that rat Drew.
A guy who misses games and is a non factor in several games he does play in is worth nowhere near that amount.
Just ridiculous and I have no problem with the front office letting him walk.
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2/27/2007 9:04 AM
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While the potential wideouts don't thrill anyone, the games Stallworth missed last year the Eagles had more yards, points etc than when he was in(not knocking him, I want him back as well, just not at the ridiculous price he is asking). Point is Westbrook is and always will be the key, even when Owens was here, and let's hope the young guys are who they think they are. Dare I say ask New England how many HOF wideouts you need to win. Thanks for a solid year Donte, need to fix our d first.
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2/27/2007 9:24 AM
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While you don't need a HOF WR to win a SB, Stallworth did help to make the other players better when he was in the game, if only because the defense always had to account for his being on the field.
I believe that sometimes you have to overpay to get what you want. In this case, however, the price is too steep, especially since the Birds would also give up a 3rd, and that's just not going to happen. AND especially since they have "steal of the draft" Avant in their employ.
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2/27/2007 9:47 AM
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"I'd hope they'd pull off a trade, but that isn't happening. Whatever. Reid will continue his stubborn ways."
They did last year, but that deal falls in line with their new "rent-a-vet" team philosophy.
He filled a void last year, but they don't want to part with the third round precious to keep him.
Is he asking for too much dough? Is his agent an ass?
Yes and yes, but his days were numbered before renegotiations were even a thought. The Birds never intended to sign him long term because it would have cost them a first day precious more than anything else.
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2/27/2007 10:42 AM
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Obviously, I'd really like Stallworth tom return, but the writing is on the wall.
His numbers ($40 million and $18 million upfront) are very realistic in this market and there is absolutely no way to justify that money for the guy who was second on your team in yards, 4th in receptions, tied for 2nd in TDs...
He's a super fast WR and I love his potential. There just aren't many (if any) WRs out there with his speed. HOWEVER, you cannot justify that kind of money for him.
Think about those numbers. $18 million guaranteed. That's what McNabb got as the franchise QB signing bonus a couple years ago. That's more than Kearse Got as the highest profile FA DE to hit the open market since Reggie White. That's the same Bonus Randy Moss got from the Raiders as the best WR in the game just 2 years ago.
That money would make him (currently) the second highest paid player at his position, right behind Moss.
You can't justify that money for him and someone WILL pay it.
Dwight Freeney has requested a $30 million signing bonus. Nate Clements has requested a $20 million+ signing bonus. I imagine Adalius Thomas will get something in the neighborhood of $18 million upfront.
The Eagles saw the writing on the wall this off-season and planned accordingly. They re-signed every young starter on their roster for peanuts, threw all their roster bonuses into the 2007 cap, and are basically going to sleep through FA. Looking at how things are shaping up, I think this is probably the best move they could have made.
What the Eagles have done is going to look extremely smart in 2 or 3 years. Even though it likely won't win them a championship in the meantime.
On one hand, I'm really impressed but he plan and patience. On the other hands, it's a tough feeling knowing that 8 years into the 5 year plan, they are still planning for 3 years down the road.
The current WRs will be fine, though. They need to add a speed element and they need to become a 2 back, run or9iented offense, but if they do both, they will be fine (mark it down).
Reggie Brown will be a Darrell Jackson type receiver and if they are throwing 25 times per game instead of 45 times per game, it will make Brown all that much more effective.
I think they have their hope set unreasonably high for Avant, but I'm hoping they consider taking a burner at WR in the draft.
We'll all be losing our minds in a few days, but unless Stallworth's value is a lot lower than I think it will be, I can't hold them accountable for this decision.
The way the NFL and FA is going, you have to pay a colossal price for free agents, so you have to do 1 of two things:
- Grown them yourself through the draft
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- Make sure the ones you pay are truly elite.
I don't think Stallworth fits that category, even though he has that extraordinary speed.
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2/27/2007 10:53 AM
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The Eagles saw the writing on the wall this off-season and planned accordingly.
They haven't done this just this year, though - they've always taken the philosophy of signing young players to cap-friendly contracts before their rookie contract expires, so as not to bid against someone in the open market. It's not just this year.
I will miss Stallworth, if only because of what he brought to the table - a legit name deep threat that always had to be accounted for on the field. I'm not going to say that the team won't miss him in some way or another, but the Birds weren't going to re-sign him.
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2/27/2007 10:54 AM
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Just hope Avant is as good as some draft people have advertised. Otherwise, we'll be looking for another on-the-outs WR close to opening day.
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