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3/15/2007 1:49 PM
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It's not even the fact that he lost pull with them, IMO.
Rosenhaus told the Eagles he wanted $15 million in guarantees. At that point, the Eagles broke off negotiations because it was too much to pay for him.
If Rosenhaus would have presented the deal that Stallworth signed with the Pats, the Eagles would have jumped on it.
They were just too fucking stupid and arrogant to "negotiate" and get creative. He gave a big number. They like small numbers. the conversation was over. Sad.
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3/15/2007 1:52 PM
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It shouldn't have been that way anyway. They had their opportunity to re-sign him before the FA period began, and even if Rosenhaus offered a larger number, isn't that what most agents ask for in the first place?
An incentive-laden contract like this is just up the Eagles' alley. But since the Pats made a high-profile acquisition with it (possibly ushering in a new way on how teams may do business, even if it wasn't as widely publicized as it is now), the Eagles will come up just short again.
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3/15/2007 1:57 PM
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The Eagles blow donkey dick in negotiations. I think that much is clear.
It's VERY rare that they ever come to terms with a player unless that player is hurt, old, or has so many years left on his current contract that anything looks good.
They are contractual predators. They pick on the defenseless young, the decrepit elderly, and the injured or maimed.
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3/15/2007 2:02 PM
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And if you don't sign with them, news of "Stallworth likes DAP" gets out to the public.
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3/15/2007 2:29 PM
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I honestly think they had absolutely no desire to re-sign Stallworth, even at a bargain number.
I believe they always viewed him as a one-year rental that would be a stop-gap until Baskett and Avant were ready to step into larger roles. That's why they were willing to offer the conditional pick in the trade-- they never had any intention of re-signing him.
They made a lowball offer so they could say they did something, and then they were more than happy to watch him leave. Now we get to sit back and watch another year of misjudged talent taking the field at bargain prices.
Thrilling.
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You're probably right, Talon, especially considering you could look at that conditional draft pick as being a deterrent to keep them from re-signing Stallworth, no matter what he did during the year.
They had no intention of giving up anything more than a 4th and an aging ineffective LB for a legit #1.
And we're to believe Baskett (who wasn't their pick, BTW) and Avant are good enough to get it done in the league.
It's almost as if they view any WR with talent (which eliminates all the ones they drafted, save Brown) as a prima donna, and not worth the aggravation. SO they make sure they bring in bland guys who can run, who won't go against the grain.
And we're left wondering how McNabb was considered an elite QB with draftees like Stinkston and the rest of them.
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3/15/2007 2:39 PM
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The pick didn't matter after he became a free agent, though
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And in reality, one of the reasons they were happy to let him walk is they assumed the big dollars he would command would bring them a 4th OR POSSIBLY a 3rd round compensatory pick in 2008.
With the deal he signed, they won't get anything for him next year if the Pats don't pick up the $11 million option and they may actually be screwed either way.
I think they didn't want him at the number Rosenhaus gave them, but I think that if they were given the opportunity to match New England's offer, that would have.
That's just from reading between the lines with Spuds.
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Heck, I'm not even saying McNabb is gay. No one here is. If he says he's happily married to a "woman", than yeah- I trust in that.
if i drank coffee, it would be on my keyboard.
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3/15/2007 8:39 PM
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thats excactly what banner said with eskin today on IP. it was his understanding with rosenwhore that the eagles would have the chance to match any offers. that was promised to them just days before he signed with the patriots, and no opportunity was given.
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thats excactly what banner said with eskin today on IP. it was his understanding with rosenwhore that the eagles would have the chance to match any offers. that was promised to them just days before he signed with the patriots, and no opportunity was given.
I heard that, too.
I wish Rosenhause would have kept his word if that was their agreement, but I think the fact that they never made an offer renders their outrage moot.
I mean, if every team took that approach (go get an offer, bring it to us, and we'll decide if it's a good enough deal for the mighty Eagles) there wouldn't be any offers given.
It's arrogance and entitlement at its worst, IMO.
Plus, they cried foul when Rosenhaus supposedly pulled the EXACT SAME MOVE a couple years ago with Hugh and Jacksonville.
Fool me twice?
Ah...it's over. That mousy little fucker and his brown sweatervests just irritate me.
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The Morning Morons are going nuts over what Banner said yesterday - specifically how McNabb was "misinformed" and that he was "entitled to his opinion" about the WRs, making mention of his comments.
Also said that aside from the Colts, there haven't been many instances of QB-WR combinations who have been together for a long time that made it all the way (seemed to forget about Hasselbeck and Darrell Jackson, but whatever), and he specifically mentioned (guess who?) the Pats as being the model of this.
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You have to give Banner his props for being professional. He had prepared answers for everything thrown his way. Had stats to back them up...ect..ect.
But having said that....I am starting to think Banner actually believes his own BS
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3/16/2007 10:36 AM
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That's the all time gayest screen name.
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3/16/2007 10:49 AM
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I tried to think of one worse, and there's a couple close (Rumble Boy for one) but yeah, that's pretty effin weak.
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Sorry I am not sold on Curtis. He played in a Dome on turf for all of his career. He put up pretty pedestrian numbers for playing alongside of a couple Pro-bowl receivers and in a Martz pass happy offense. Can this guy hold up for a whole year? How will he adapt playing outside on grass? Can he play againest teams #1 CB's trying to jam him all day? Can he run block on the outside? Just too many question marks for a guy they just gave a 6 year deal to with a load of guaranteed loot. As far as Dayne goes, to quote a poster on this site: He stinks.
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You are right on the name thing...but "Plagiarise Seth" was already taken
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3/16/2007 11:24 AM
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How about "I'm with Seth"?
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Dayne does stink. Might as well just keep Buck. Dillon wants to start and probably wants starter coin. Chris Brown (the human vagina)has shown some flashes but reminds me of the Elijah Price character from Unbreakable.
The kid from Rutgers is a possibility...but how high?
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I'm glad McNabulous stood up for himself. Shit, they guy has had to deal with the likes of:
Na Brown, Stinkston, Fred Ex, Gari Scott, Trash, T. Small, C Johnson, G. Lew....this cast sounds more like a cruel joke than a WR corps. Fuck 'em for being ridiculous. Brady is an excellent QB, but most QBs have needed chemistry and consistency to get where they went. Bradshaw had Swan and Stallworth, Montana had Rice, Aikman had Irving...Brady is an exception rather than the rule.
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Brady had Givens, Branch, and Troy Brown all together for at least a few years. Way more consistent (and better) than what McNabb has had, so I don't even know what Banner is talking about there.
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3/16/2007 2:48 PM
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Troy Brown was good enough to play both WR AND CB.
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3/16/2007 2:52 PM
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He probably looks at Owens coming in and the one SB appearance and thinks that's the rule and not the exception.
The fact that he thinks that McNabb's misunderstood about the very position that he plays is nimrodic in nature.
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If Troy Brown were an Eagle he'd be just as popular as Dawkins. Too bad he'd get cut the second he turned 30.
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I dont if I would call Brady the exception. There are lots of good QB\Wr combo's out there...Colts, Bengals, Saints, ect...
When McNabb talks of chemistry....my take...he is talking about himself "trusting" the WR.
He aired it out with TO ...pretty much everyone else gets thrown to at the ankles
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