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***Thats why around the world, think about it, what real friends you got that dont take your money, Oh yeah Israel LOL***


Yup the world hates us until the next

Earthquake
Famine
Genocide
World War
Tsunami

Or until they are so persecuted in their own country they come here to live.

And not for nothing but Israel probably hates us to

***Thats why around the world, think about it, what real friends you got that dont take your money, Oh yeah Israel LOL***


You can have all the dislike for Americans, and American policy you want. Fact is, this country has been a great allies to your country and many others. Have we made mistakes? Sure, but we've done far more good. Taking shots at America maybe be your pub time fun. We usually don't get upset when it comes from the .uneducated
I suspect that you (Wellershot) have never been part of a Military service. If you had, you would have more respect, and a better understanding of what it is to put on a uniform, and look to protect your "brother". Only little kids and fools trash those who would defend them. SO which are you?

It's easy to talk shit about the big kid on the block, until it's your time to face him!

Can see the dislike for American policy under the current administration and others in the past.

However this outright hatred of America stems in my opinion from just plain JEALOUSLY.

And this jealously of America has been going on for many, many years.

Like I said earlier EVERYBODY HATES US until they need us.

Comes with the territory of being the GREATEST country the world has ever known.

And for those who hate us….

Watch some more soccer.

This isn't something I ever thought I'd say, but "well said, section"

The US has its flaws, for sure, but we make honest efforts to deal with them. We're one of the few countries that makes a legitimate attempt to honestly face our own racism, we make best efforts to welcome new people into our society even if it's sometimes painful for those who have already been here, and we have huge numbers of volunteer hours and dollars that we spread around the country and the world. Yeah, we're not perfect and we're not really trying to be, but we're doing the best we can. We work hard, we play hard, and we try to enjoy the things that we've built.

Ok this is me being serious (no wind up)

I got no problem with you fellas on the whole and it is very difficult to explain to people that are proud of their country how you see them, and of course it would probably be the same the other way around.
I guess one way would be to tell you that when i visit , say florida, which i have and is a great place to vacate, if i had a dollar for every american that came up to me, after finding out i was English, and started on about what i thought of the americans saving our arses, just so he could sit back and gloat at me saying "oh yes you really saved Europe" etc etc, i would be rich.
I mentioned before about this bubble we feel you live in and by that we do feel as a nation you are only told things that would build your confidence up to a point which comes accross as arrogant.
For instance when we are asked these things by americans i wonder do they really know what europe went through with our cities flattened,industrial towns demolished etc its like what you all experienced with the world trade center x 500 x 20 cities , this may seem harsh but you all acted as it was the worst disaster in the world in the last 100 years.
The WW11 thing, yes for the 15 millionth time thank you for your help and finance but you didnt win it by yourselves , we lost one or two you know.
You probably again would not have been told this but the reason you joined us finally after seeing the UK bombarded night after night was not to save our arse but was when your people realised that the true army that defeated the germans, Russia, were now on their way to Berlin. This is why we all piled accross the English channel without any regard for our soilders lives in a race to stop the russians gaining control of most of europe. America did not want western europe to be communist. And again i state the army that the allies faced in the Dunkirk etc thing was not the full weight of the German army, they was at the russian front freezing their bollocks off.
So what am i saying, well if the American people would be told the whole truth about everything incuding good and bad then perhaps they would be more tactful in addressing the rest of the world because at the moment your even pissing off what should be regarded as your closest friends as your attitude to the rest of the planet goes from bad to worse.
I would also add i am aware your not all this way in the same way we're not all pompas twats!!!!

if the American people would be told the whole truth about everything

You could say this about the people of any country. I would submit that the American people have more access to the "whole truth" than most if not ALL other countries.

because at the moment your even pissing off what should be regarded as your closest friends as your attitude to the rest of the planet goes from bad to worse.

The MAJORITY of Americans are unhappy with the current administration's foreign policy decisions. That said, what the rest of the world tends to conveniently forget is that the USA is the most charitable nation IN THE HISTORY OF THE WORLD.

if i had a dollar for every american that came up to me, after finding out i was English, and started on about what i thought of the americans saving our arses, just so he could sit back and gloat at me saying "oh yes you really saved Europe" etc etc, i would be rich.

This tactic was used my folks here on this board to piss you off more than anything else. We use it more with the French but whatever. If people come up to you and seriously ask what you think of the Americans saving your asses in WW2 then they are probably retarded. We do have those people here. Most of us just do it to, how do you sat, "take the piss out of you."

For the record, I spent part of my childhood living in England and going to school there, and have been back a few times as well. I have nothing bad to say about any of the Brits I've encountered both there and here.

However, we Americans tend to get a bit defensive when we are shat on by the rest of the world to whom we have given so much. We can bicker and argue among ourselves freely about the policies of our country, but when an outsider starts to criticize us as a people and a nation, most of us pretty much line up on the same side: America first, last and always.

Time to get back to a serious issue: "AlexFromNY joined a thread explaining how it was they came to be Millwall fans. Most of these postings were fairly obvious, citing family connections, roots in the area and so on. Alex, however, as an American sports and soccer fan chose Millwall. Why? I'll let him take over -- as what he has to say is obligatory reading for any Lions fan who might be losing the faith a little...
First of all, I'm sure most of you can suss how an American started to follow English football to begin with. All you have to do is look at the state of the game here at home. Quite simply, American soccer (I'm going to use the dreaded S word to differentiate from our football, or gridiron as the case may be) is shite, has always been and always will be shite. First let me point out that you'll have a really hard time finding an American to say that about our game, because you'll have a really hard time finding an American who gives half a toss about it enough to have an opinion in the first place. Our national league continues to be a complete joke (whatever it's called this year, oh yeah, MLS) in spite of a few decent homegrown players here and there, in fact have you ever BEEN to a MetroStars match? Don't answer that. Ridiculous. Maybe 10,000 people in the stands, most of whom do not have English as a first language. Now that isn't a knock against foreigners at all, I'm just saying that what's the point of this compared to the way it is overseas? Where's the tradition, the excitement of it all, that electric feeling on matchday? Ha ha ha.

The national side? Same deal. Can you imagine how excited I was in '94 when we beat the Colombians (and thanks for the own-goal, even though the poor sod paid for it with his life)? You think at last, the USA have arrived haven't we? Right. All the momentum from that year pissed away down the drain culminating not long ago in a defeat to mighty Iran. For me that was it, the last straw. Last one out of the grounds, turn off the lights.

Around that time I started paying some attention to English football since Fox were replaying the highlights of the Premier League once a week. Before that I really thought sod all about it. I decided upon the English league because I admired the tradition and excitement its supporters generate, and besides I can at least understand the language, LOL.
So once that was settled upon, why Millwall? Why not be a good arse-kisser and settle with Man U, Chelsea or Arsenal? Certainly even the Americans know about these squads, since they're so full of money, piss, vinegar and bollocks and all the TV stars and pop stars that attend their fixtures (as long as they win) besides, right? Can't get any more American than that, can you? Americans love winners!

Unfortunately I'm not being all that sarcastic. If you follow American professional sports then you know that just about every sports franchise there is - football, baseball, basketball - is another Man U when it comes to revenues, what with the TV money, ticket prices, gear sales, etc. This is also why, in spite of it still being my favorite spectator sport, that I refuse to spend a single dime on the bastards. My own team, the New Orleans Saints, have put an absolute shite team on the field year in and year out - attendance the past year averaged "only" 50,000, and the bloody owner pisses and moans that he's going to have to raise ticket prices (again), he wants special tax breaks because "they can't compete financially", and threatens to move the team to Texas if he doesn't get it. Don't let the door smack your fat arse on the way out, mate.

So why Millwall? Here's a team that's been to the brink and back more times than you can count, and here they are in better shape than they've been in a long, long time. For one thing, I greatly admire a team from a tough area, a hard area that has to fight and kick and scratch for everything it gets. Don't know of too many American football teams like that! Plus, this bit about everyone hates Millwall? That's just about a good enough reason in and of itself for me to be a supporter. Kick me while I'm down, and you better do it good, because things have a way of turning full circle and boy, is payback a bitch when it does."

I'm not the greatest at writing novels or anything, but I've tried to express my feelings on this whole thing as best I could. Now you can go ahead and say I'm full of it or whatever, but I am a Lion. End of story.

Hey guy - it's not that everyone hates Millwall - it's that nobody on this board gives a damn one way or the other. If I spotted David Beckham and Pele kicking a ball around on my lawn, I'd turn the hose on them like were a couple neighborhood kids. Soccer's for fruity Europeans and should stay that way.

Pendulum,

you really do have an issue with gayness, search your inner soul and try to find some comfort zone. If it means coming out then so be it, go with the flow.
Your uasername 'pendulum' does this mean you swing both ways!!!

yes may well have a greater pool to recruit but there not better then our boys most are gungho trigger happy meat heads. our boys are composed patient and well trained. the sas and sbs would rip ur best to bits. FACT why else would the us use them to do jobs your lot cant do. why did 150 of your wankers(marines) get pinned down by 100 taliban and why was it just 6 of ours did the job and saved there asses. some off you yanks talk so much shit. your no way better then us so get off your soap box.

Pendulum et al, tell us something we don't know. We are spending time with you in order to educate you. If just one of you colonialists can look at 'soccer' in a new light then it will have been worthwhile.

TherealLionarm
RE: Millwall supporter here.
3/10/2007 1:28 PM

We are spending time with you in order to educate you. If just one of you colonialists can look at 'soccer' in a new light then it will have been worthwhile.



Jeez guess I was wrong. My impressions was that you Brits came on here to insult the American people, the United States, our Armed forces and to call us cunts.

My bad.

section 371

hmmmmmm!!

check the very first post by hurlockisgod, seemed like a decent enough post, then check the replies (pendulum straight in with the gay stuff). Sorry but like any 'wall fan you start giving it your gonna get it back 10 fold (including wind ups). Shame because if the replies had of been decent then i think we could have moved on to some decent discussions and some entertaining threads. Oh well !!

Wellers Shot-

Don't mess with Pendulum, he'll chat fuck you back to the 3rd grade~!

touche sir

I don't see why you Brits don't fancy our Football. Just think of it as a 3 hour re-enactment of WWI. Y'all did pretty good in that one.

Think about it. Two teams fight like Hell over 100 yards. Guys get injured (sometimes pretty badly), they wear helmets and regimental colors. The Coaches(generals) who make the decisions are never at risk and often make stunningly stupid calls. And in the end, nothing significant was decided.

Even the vocabulary is similar;
- in the trenches
- bomb
- blitz
- Kaiser

Read a little History and you might enjoy a game that doesn't see a tie as a Victory.

The main reason your football wont take off over here is as a sport to watch on t.v it has sooooo many stoppages with adverts in between.I remember when i was over there trying to watch a film, think i watched more minutes of adverts than the actual film, fuck me they even had adverts between the titles coming up and the beginning, same at the end. We have like 4 x 2 min advert breaks for the whole film.
Also got to say it but the rediculous padding thing, come on, is it because their insurance companies insist. We prefer it raw like aussie rules or rugby, dare i say it. And before you say it check out some of the tackles in the link below.
The biggest reason is because we're set in our ways, our dads, grandads, great grandads etc all supported the same club from the days of the dockers in the London docks.Millwall were established in 1885.
I often wonder why it is you all have only your own sport that no other countries play (american football, basketball, baseball) and the rest of the world enjoy the same sports, its got to be either a finance or winning thing ???

No padding here!!!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26SMtPmXtms&mode=related&search=


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvMFHXcd0yQ&mode=related&search=

But it's so much easier to bet on American Football. You can pretty much guarantee going in that there will be scoring. That can't be said for your Football.

I watched a UEFA match (Celtic- Koperhavn FK, I think) last year, where the commentators said after one team scored, that it might be an insurmountable lead. 1 Goal. There was more than an hour of game time left.

I believe that's the "flaw" for Americans. We love comebacks and underdogs. We don't like watching teams go into a defensive shell almost immediately, settling for the tie instead of trying for the win.

By the way, I live in Sweden. So I get some FA, Coca Cola, French(unwatchable), Spanish and Italian(unwatchable) Football on the dish. As well as the UEFA mathes.

****0ne The biggest reason is because we're set in our ways, our dads, grandads, great grandads etc all supported the same club from the days of the dockers in the London docks.Millwall were established in 1885.****


Philadelpahia Phillies 1883 - 1 Championship - Please don't talk about suffering to us




I often wonder why it is you all have only your own sport that no other countries play (american football, basketball, baseball) and the rest of the world enjoy the same sports, its got to be either a finance or winning thing ???


Last time I check baseball & basketball were extremely popular sports all around the rest of the world.


And didn't soccer and cricket have its orgins in England. Two games that orginated in England that are now played in many countries.


American football hasn't been around that long. It will continue to increase in popularity. And if it doesn't who cares we love it anyway.

"I often wonder why it is you all have only your own sport that no other countries play (american football, basketball, baseball) and the rest of the world enjoy the same sports, its got to be either a finance or winning thing ???"

That is odd. Especially considering that our forebears came from the rest of the World.

But Baseball is just a bastardization of Cricket (and both are too boring to watch sober). Our Football is a conglomeration of Gaelic Football, Rugby and a host of other games. Basketball is starting to be more of global game. Hell, some of the best players in the NBA are Canadian, German and Chinese.

"And didn't soccer and cricket have its orgins in England. Two games that orginated in England that are now played in many countries."

Is there a country that plays Cricket that wasn't an English colony or territory at one point.

Maybe that's the answer for American Football....rampant US Colonialism. See, W's just trying to help out the NFL.

Ebenezer Cobb Morley

Cobb Morley (1831-1924) was an English sportsman and is regarded as the father of The Football Association and modern Association Football and, to a certain extent, of all organised football.

Morley was born in Hull but moved to Barnes in 1858 forming the Barnes Club, a founding member of the FA, in 1862. In 1863, as captain of the Mortlake-based club, he wrote to Bell's Life newspaper proposing a governing body for the sport that led to the first meeting at the Freemason's Tavern that created the FA.

He was the FA's first secretary (1863-6) and its second president (1867-74) and drafted the first Laws of the Game at his home in Barnes. As a player, he played in the first ever match, against Richmond in 1863, and scored in the first representative match, between the clubs of London and Sheffield on 31st March 1866. (see Sheffield F.C.).

A solicitor by profession, Morley was a keen oarman, founding the Barnes and Mortlake Regatta for which he was also secretary (1862-80). He served on the Surrey County Council for Barnes (1903-19) and was a Justice of the Peace.



Both American football and soccer have their origins in varieties of football played in the United Kingdom in the mid-19th century, and American football is directly descended from rugby football. The majority of the plays in a typical American football game involve handling the ball rather than kicking it.

Rutgers University and Princeton University played the first game of college football on Nov. 6, 1869 in New Brunswick, New Jersey. Rutgers won that first game, 6-4. From the 1820s to around 1890, Dartmouth College students played a football-like game now known as "Old Division Football," to which they published rules in 1871.

Encouraged by Yale University's Walter Camp, the schools began to adopt more standardized rules that would differentiate American football from rugby in the 1880s. The scrimmage was introduced in 1880 and the system of downs in 1882.

By the turn of the 20th century, football had become notoriously dangerous; 18 college players died in 1905 alone.

Colleges responded with a series of rule changes to open up the game, most importantly the forward pass, along with outlawing dangerous formations such as the "flying wedge", and introducing and requiring better equipment such as helmets.

The game had achieved its modern form by 1912, when the field was changed to its current size, the value of a touchdown increased to 6 points, and a fourth down added to each possession. Originally dominated by the Ivy League, football soon captured the interest of colleges nationwide. By 1916, when the Rose Bowl game matching eastern and western teams became an annual event, football had developed a national following second only to baseball among team sports.

Professional football developed in the mill towns of Pennsylvania and the American Midwest in the early years of the 20th century. The NFL was founded in 1920 in Canton, Ohio. Professional football remained a largely regional sport of secondary importance until after World War II, when television broadcasts boosted NFL football's national appeal. The pro game surpassed both college football and baseball in popularity in the 1960s.[2] The first Super Bowl—between the champions of the NFL and the rival American Football League—was played in 1967, and the two leagues merged in 1970.

This whole thread was worth it for this line:

If I spotted David Beckham and Pele kicking a ball around on my lawn, I'd turn the hose on them like were a couple neighborhood kids.

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