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Things are gonna get uneasy as hell. Mcnabb has no leverage coming off an ACL injury. Hes got to prove it to the eagles(and the league) that he can still play. If he destroys in '07, I expect him to start dropping bombs starting in Febuary of '08. The eagles will blink, and blink fast. whether its '08 or '09, he is out of here. NO WAY they trade him in the NFC. If he is not injured(ala Culpep), they will have one hell of an asset on their hands and should be able to dictate where he goes.

I don’t think anyone is saying that it is the Eagles desired plan to dump McNabb in a year.

-AE

I think he'll be a Viking or Bear as early as the 2008 season.

-FD

IF he attitude blows (doubtful, but no one can accurately gauge how this guy reacts to things), the front office and Reid will face a decision. Put up with a seriously disgruntled player for X more years or look to trade a guy while his stock is relatively high.

That’s all I’m saying.

I agree with that assessment, but I don't believe that will be the case (his attitude blows)

It just has to be said...

Big Red taking a QB with his top pick is fat on black crime.

Dino, I said as early as 2008, but feel it will likely be 2009.

If McNabb plays lights out for the next 3 years, doesn't get hurt at all, and has a great attitude about all this behind closed doors OR if Kolb struggles to pick up the offense and looks bad in the pre-season over the next couple years, this is all moot.

Yes, Andy has given the keys to an inexperienced QB before. But it was out of necessity, not desire. Archer was playing like he was in Pop Warner, and AJ started when McNabb was hurt.

Now, he has the luxury of starting a Pro Bowler while his new guy gets his feet wet. He has mentioned he thinks a QB needs three years in his system. I think he'll try and get as much as he can out of McNabb so he can keep the team competitive while keeping pressure off Kolb

Also, regarding McNabb's attitude, I fully expect him to say all the right things publicly, but I think it all depends on how he handles himself behidn closed doors.

Knowing what we know about McNabb, I think he's probably NOT thinking "This is a harsh business, but it is a business and they had to do what's best for them".

I imagine it being a little more like "How could they do this to me after all I've done for them and all I've been through here? Why don't they appreciate me?"

I guarantee his parents are feeing that mentality, as well.

He has mentioned he thinks a QB needs three years in his system. I think he'll try and get as much as he can out of McNabb so he can keep the team competitive while keeping pressure off Kolb

I agree with that general assessment but don't really agree with the 3 year thing.

He's tossed numbers out there for QBs and WRs but I think he just uses them to protect the players.

He says a QB needs 3 years, but he and Morningwood have been directly involved in picking/grooming 4 starting QBs in his pro career with Green bay and Philly.

- Favre was started immediately after they trade for him (1 year in the league).

- Brunell was dealt to Jacksonville and started immediately when he got there (2 years in the system at Green bay).

- Hasselbeck was Andy Reid's last project (he scouted him/told the Packers to draft him) in Green Bay and was groomed for 2 years in Green Bay and Seattle traded a 1st rounder to come i and start for them immediately.

- McNabb sat for 8 games before hey handed him the reigns.

I believe it takes 3-5 years to truly master the offense, but they don't seem shy about inserting guys before then.

Favre got the start in GB when Majkowski got hurt, right?

The decision to start Brunell wasn't anybody's decision that's involved with the Eagles right now. Jacksonville decided to do that. Same with Hasselbeck.

Already addressed the McNabb thing.

Put it this way, show me the examples of WCO QB who sat for 3 years before being given an opportunity to start. I'm not saying they aren't out there. I just don't know of any off the top of my head.

I'm saying every situation out there is a lot different. McNabb and Favre started b/c of necessity. There was no Pro Bowl QB in front of them at the time.

Only example I could come up with was Steve Young sitting while Montana finished up his time in San Fran.

...of course that was in an era before free agency.

Its really rather simple.

McNabb holds his Eagles career in his own hands (and health).

There is NO WAY- NONE- I DONT CARE WHEN THEY TOOK KOLB- That they'll just turn to McNabb and say "Peace out Homay!~" after 3 seasons of injury free, dominant play.
None.

And while all here sit and (rightly) remember how the McNabb clan's victim mentality affects things The QB says and does- also remember that he does fare VERY well when he feels he has something to prove- be it comin back from an injury, a lockerroom torn apart by a WR who committed black on bald crime- etc.

Now the flip side, and the more likely scenario, is that Supah Five gets hurt again, it'd be perfect if it happened in 08, cos it doesnt suit the F.O. for it to happen in 07 as far as a back up gettin P.T. goes, cos its Feely this yr.

(Not that they WANT to see 5 hurt, but as far as how to best/easiest transition Korn on the Kolb, 08 or better- 09 (Optimal scenario) McNabb gets hurt and Kolb shines.)

They're goin to have a natural buffer from public criticism, cos "McNabb's hurt again and now he's 34!" and factoring in any success Kolb enjoys, well, you know how it goes.

The fact that MUCH of this roster is set, youthful and looks good for years down the road, when, um, say, a new QB takes over? Well, not shocking what they've done here- quietly (this building block being the only real noisey one) they're set up, if they trust their aquisitions / judgements- to have Kolb step in WHENEVER and have a good young team around him making it all the easier for him to succeed immediately.

But I dont think he sees the field until a McNabb injury (or less likely but possible) or a request/bitchin fest to be traded occurs.

If McNabb's lights out for 3 seasons, and should they reach / even WIN a bowl? Well Kolb goes the Steve Young route and sits and waits.

Hell, Phillip Rivers sat for 3 yrs behind an infinitely less talented/accomplished QB.

and as I post the reply that took me well over 12 minutes to come up with- I see Scotty has in bullet point fashion, made my last/best point. Well played Scotty.

Only other QB that I could think of was Steve Bono, but he was with 2 teams before going to San Fran, and followed Montana to KC before finally taking over there.

Elvis Grbac comes to mind as well, as he's a slightly better example, though HE left for KC, too.

Aaron Rogers is wasting away in Green Bay.

There has to be a considerable chunk of Packers fans who appreciate all Favre has done but want the guy to just retire already.

If McNabb's lights out for 3 seasons, and should they reach / even WIN a bowl? Well Kolb goes the Steve Young route and sits and waits.

I don't disagree at all, but the fact that they took Kolb where they did gives you insight in whether or not they think that's likely.

They aren't going to just yank McNabb after a 3,800 yard season with 25 TDs.
That said, he's never gone 3 years without getting hurt.

I think it's obviously up to McNabb in a lot of ways, but I think it's highly unlikely they won't be able to find a reason to give the job to Kolb to open the 2009 season.

Whether it's an injury or a disappointing season, the clock is ticking, IMO.

Hell, Phillip Rivers sat for 3 yrs behind an infinitely less talented/accomplished QB.

2 years...

Elvis Grbac comes to mind as well, as he's a slightly better example, though HE left for KC, too.

Grbac was an 8th round pick who served 3 years in SF before sining with the Chiefs. So, he did spend 3 years but was the equivalent of an undrafted Rookie Free Agent. The Eagles invested more in Andy Hall.

I'm not trying to scream the sky is falling and ANYTHING is possible here. I said I like Kolb, but I wish they wouldn't have taken a QB so high.

The way things work in the NFL, I think it's just unlikely a very, very high second round pick sits for 3 years unless he's awful.

>Seth's post< - finally some reason since the Kolb pick.

There is no QB controversy here. There is also NO reason for McNabb to be upset. Every starting QB has to appreciate a quality backup. McNabb is not oblivious to his injury history.

Nothing about this situation spells doom for McNabb. McNabb can perform as an elite QB. The only way he gets replaced in Philly before he retires is IF he gets hurt again and is unable to play.

All the Chicken Little posting has been tiresome.

I expect Kolb to be developed, showcased and traded for a 1st round + pick a couple years from now, unless McNabb gets hurt.

That's me-

Voice of reason.

And THAT scenario isnt one that hasnt crossed my mind either.

They know since the pick that 4 teams wanted him speciffically, and another GURU heaped tons of praise on him (Bellicheck)--

If a great yr outta McNabb goes by, and another QB is there whom they like, a yr or 2 from now, can TOTALLY see em tradin Kolb, preppin the latest Draftee for his day in the sun, and ridin McNabb out.

There is no QB controversy here.

Comment has been duly postmarked.

There is also NO reason for McNabb to be upset.

Tell Mr. No Returned Calls.

Every starting QB has to appreciate a quality backup.

Quality? Yes. Heir? Nnnnnooooope.

McNabb is not oblivious to his injury history.

Nor his birth certificate.

I'm not seeing a lot of Chicken Little stuff. I'm seeing folks saying that a second round pick is meant to be a starter at some point in the future.

Honestly, I'm not sure I see the wisdom in drafting a pick as high as the second for the possibility of trading for a first. So many vairables in play that make that a very, very risky proposition. Injuries, busting, lack of interest. Take your pick. Developing a late pick (roster fillers and special teamers) for higher picks makes more sense because you're not using up a starter draft pick for a future and far from certain payoff.

Honestly, I'm not sure I see the wisdom in drafting a pick as high as the second for the possibility of trading for a first

Exactly. It's possible and could happen, but drafting a guy 36th overall in hopes that you could pull a 25th overall pick for him 4 years from now is a little like purchasing a savings bond to pay for that coffee maker you'd like to buy in a few years.

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