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He's being framed.

DMX? Dog Fighting??

I think not.

Nigga, please. You just found out about that? Old news..
Get updated:
http://www.azcentral.com/community/nephoenix/articles/0824dmx-dogs0825-ON.html
And again:
http://www.azcentral.com/community/scottsdale/articles/0829dmx0830-ON.html
hmm, mysterious 'legal' white chalky substance.. baby laxatives, magnesium carbonate, Gold Bond? lol
I find it hilarious that Arpaio is revered as “an animal rights crusader” in the last article. He treats his inmates as such.

Is that the warden who houses the inmates outside of the jail in tents in the 120 degree heat?

You got it.. MCSO 'Tent City', pink underwear, green baloney, and a sheriff that never gets voted out no matter who contests him.

Did anyone catch the "ESPN Town Hall Meeting" about Mike Vick in Atlanta yesterday?

What a absolute disgrace. The people there really have no clue of right and wrong. The blindness that they showed in their fervor of support of Mike Vick is so sad. Between the booing of the National Head of the Human Society, to the large chants of "Free Mike Vick". The AA's in that room, made themselves look as a sad, gullible and dumb as possible. I'm sure that this was not a majority of AA's opinions, but were mostly Vick supporters, but damn ya'll. Get a F'ing clue. This is the group of people who will always use race as an excuse, rather than a call for right and wrong. Theses are the people who drag good, hard working people down. What a disgrace.

Absolutely.

And at the risk of being unfairly criticized by FB, I'm goin to say that it was appauling to see how they acted durin that 'special'. I just rolled my eyes though, as I wasn't shocked one bit.

Flame away.

Suggested reading material for IMS and 736

There are a couple of concepts in this article which I think explain the phenomenon which IMS and Seth are so clearly obsessed with when it comes to the African-American community.


"Ever since we arrived in this country there have been conversations about our leaving. Movements, threats, cajoling, incentives, and every manner of effort by Blacks and Whites alike, from Paul Cuffee to Marcus Garvey, and from James Monroe to Abe Lincoln, have been discussed and, in some cases, implemented to get Black people out of this country.

While there have been several prominent Black people who have left, there has been no mass exodus by Black people since Liberia, the 1967 move to Africa by the African Hebrew Israelites notwithstanding.

In light of all that has happened to Black people in this country, in addition to what is occurring now in the new millennium, should Black people seriously consider leaving America? We have been here since the beginning, contributed more than anyone else to the foundational wealth of this country, sacrificed more than anyone else for this country, and yet we are still treated like the “three-fifths” they called us when they wrote their Constitution. Should we now walk away?

There comes a time in the lives of most people when they can no longer take seeing their people being left out, marginalized, mistreated, abused, and murdered. They simply throw their hands up, pack up, and leave.

Although many have followed the examples of Black musicians and artists, and other brothers and sisters who simply yearned to “breathe free,” as the inscription on the Statue of Liberty says, let’s look at two Black men.

Those men are W.E.B. DuBois and Randall Robinson.

“After ninety-five years of the most courageous unflagging devotion to Black freedom witnessed in the 20th Century, W.E.B. DuBois not only left America for Africa but concluded: ‘I cannot take anymore of this country’s treatment. We leave for Ghana October 5th and I set no date for return…Chin up, and fight on, but realize that American Negroes can’t win.’” (An excerpt from The Future of the Race, by Louis Gates and Cornell West.)

In Amitabh Pal’s recent interview of Randall Robinson, an eerie similarity to DuBois’ words and thoughts came forth from Robinson as he explained his reasons for “Quitting America,” also the title of his latest book. “I was really worn down by an American society that is racist, smugly blind to it, and hugely self-satisfied. I wanted to live in a place where that wasn’t always a distorting weight. Black people in America have to, for their own protection, develop a defense mechanism, and I just grew terribly tired of it. When you sustain that kind of affront, and sustain it and sustain it and sustain it, something happens to you. You try to steer a course in American society that’s not self-destructive. But America is a country that inflicts injury. It does not like to see anything that comes in response, and accuses one of anger as if it were an unnatural response. For anyone who is not white in America, the affronts are virtually across the board.”

Looks like these two brothers just got fed up with the nonsense and the “struggle,” as we love to call it.

Looks like they just made up their minds to pursue something better than the American status quo.

Looks like they decided that life was too precious to spend any more time waiting for White folks to change this corrupt, disparate, one-sided system in which we live.

Looks like these brothers finally got the message. Have we gotten the message?

Before you attribute this article as a call for Black people to move out of the U.S., let me make it clear that I am not advocating such an action, but I certainly understand why it occurs. One day I may leave this country for good, but I am not saying all Black people should do so, nor am I saying we should stay here. I just want to use history, both old and recent, to stimulate thinking around what is happening to Black people in this country.

It’s not so much that DuBois left for Ghana; it’s what he said when he departed. It’s not so important that Robinson quit this country; it’s what caused him to quit. The rest of us who remain in this country must, first, see what is happening to our people, and then make up our minds, both individually and collectively, to do something about it.

Those who choose to do nothing must keep in mind that acquiescing to mistreatment is really doing something.

The latest cuts in initiatives that assist poor people, the elderly, veterans, and college students, juxtaposed against continued tax cuts for millionaires, should serve as a very clear indication of how the majority of Black people are viewed. While we play the political game, and that’s exactly what it is, others run off with the economic spoils.

By the way, don’t be surprised if there is another catastrophe in this country soon. If you know the history of America you know that’s the best way to get “the people” back on the president’s bandwagon.

So what’s it going to be, Black folks? Fight or flight? Right now it looks like we are unwilling to do either, which is unconscionable when you consider our collective condition and the continuous assault on our people by our local, state, and federal government. Was DuBois correct? Is Robinson’s life, and his family’s, far better off now?

If you choose to leave, no one can blame you. If you choose to stay, you had better prepare yourself for battle. The battlefield is the marketplace; the weapons are our pockets and purses; and the bullets are our dollars. Fire at will! That is, if you have the will."

The reason people are so defensive and blindly loyal (I believe anyway) is that it's like a survival/defense mechanism. Who sticks up for black people if they don't themselves? NOBODY. You've (736) even caught me doing it sometimes myself. At least I try to discern and censor myself and think before I make too much of a fool of myself, but there it is (my hastily derived at opinion, anyways).

Check yourself holmie-

Im neither obsessed with, or have an issue with, the A.A community.

But you need to say continually that I do, so you can dismiss anything i may say thats in fact on point and troubling.
Easier to dismiss it that way, and hope others do too, if you casually insinuate one's biggotted.

Which for the record my man, I am not.

Im simply commenting on things as they appear here on the level, or laughing when you try to double talk your way outta crap you say that nails ya later on.

I guess my reply to your last point / sentence above is:

Who's to stick up for black people if not themselves?

Who cares!?
In the cases you admidt to findin yourself racing into, to defend, they shouldnt be defended.

So what if they're black- if they're lying, or killin dogs or whatever, why would you feel obligated to defend BAD PEOPLE.

NOT BLACK PEOPLE- BAD PEOPLE?

I dont get that! I was 1st intro'd to this concept as news of the OJ verdict spread and it was truly amazing.

Nobody without a brain and some common sense thought he was innocent.
Surely not ALL of the students etc shown actually REJOICING on many campuses could be without common sense or a brain. Hell, they were in COLLEGE!

Based solely on race.
thats wrong on a base level, oh, and it's also racist.

Who cares!?

Sure sounds smug and self-satisfied to me.


Forget I even tried to respond (without malice, I may add).

Per ESPN:

A urine sample submitted by Michael Vick has tested positive for marijuana, and as a result he'll have tighter restrictions on his freedom.


The test was taken on Sept. 13. Because of the positive test, federal court probation officer Patricia Locket-Ross, who is assigned to Vick, asked Judge Henry Hudson to place special conditions on Vick's release, which include refraining from use or unlawful possession of a narcotic drug or other controlled substance.

Also, Vick must submit to any method of testing at any time.

Methods of testing could include urine testing, the wearing of a "sweat patch," a remote alcohol testing system and/or any form of prohibited substance screening or testing.

Vick must also participate in a program of inpatient or outpatient substance therapy and mental health counseling if the pretrial services officer or supervising officer deem it appropriate.

Vick is also now restricted to his residence every day from 10 p.m. to 6 a.m. or as directed by the pretrial services officer. The home confinement will include electronic monitoring.

Vick pleaded guilty in August to a federal dogfighting charge. He is set to be sentenced on Dec. 10.

On Tuesday, he was indicted by a grand jury in Surry County, Va., on state dogfighting charges.

FB, no, not SMUG-

Im sayin that just cos someone's black and the US has a bad history where the treatment of blacks is concerned in the PAST- why defend those who are just plain BAD PEOPLE simply cos of the color of their skin?!

THATS WHY I SAY WHO CARES!

And this article TOTALLY absolves blacks of their share of the responsibity.

"Looks like they decided that life was too precious to spend any more time waiting for White folks to change this corrupt, disparate, one-sided system in which we live"

Ive been screamin this out here forever, and some of your posts have actually parrotted this foolish notion- that its up to Whites to make things right.

Policies have been put into place, many of which are largely unused by those they're intended for.

All the while, black leadership is weak, and blacks are far more responsible for "the murders of their brothers" than any whites are - current day US.

The prollem is within the AA Community, positive role models (LIKE FATHERS FOR ONE) and that whole 'violent culture embraced by the youth" that you and I have gone round and round on.
Not "Inherrent" - just a learned behavior adopted by large #s of youth with no sense of belonging, no future, and no guidance- three things I developed at home, from within my FAMILY unit.

For failing this drug test, Vick is officially the stoopidest mofo on the planet.

Black, white or otherwise.

"So what if they're black- if they're lying, or killin dogs or whatever, why would you feel obligated to defend BAD PEOPLE.

NOT BLACK PEOPLE- BAD PEOPLE? "

Bingo!

Fred,
At what point did the line go from defending or sticking up for those who have been treated unfairly because of their race, to blind support of any Black for anything because race, MUST have been the only reason for a conviction?

Im sayin that just cos someone's black and the US has a bad history where the treatment of blacks is concerned in the PAST- why defend those who are just plain BAD PEOPLE simply cos of the color of their skin?!

I think I described the defense mechanism theory- which obviously you either haven't grasped or choose to "blindly" ignore.

Did you read the article, 736? Read it slowly, and you understand what I am saying. I have a feeling you may have missed a few things.

"Looks like they decided that life was too precious to spend any more time waiting for White folks to change this corrupt, disparate, one-sided system in which we live"

Ive been screamin this out here forever, and some of your posts have actually parrotted this foolish notion- that its up to Whites to make things right.

Um, who created the racist system and brought Black folks here in the first place? Another example of absolution of any responsibilty whatsoever. Yet so quick to point the finger and say "this is why we're better than them". It's no excuse for apathy, but- AND I QUOTE:

"just sayin"

What I mean is that White America (in general terms of course) creates an underclass thru the use of racism, segregation and oppression- then is continually offended by the behaviors of a systemically repressed people and can't understand why "they (blacks) can't things right for themselves" (blindly simplistic). If you think about how self-serving and ironic that is... Am I alone on this?

BTW, this is no indictment of any members of the 700 level or it's affiliates...

I'm just talking about the attitudes in general terms

Seth in 736
RE: Vick Hilarity
9/26/2007 1:14 PM



I dont get that! I was 1st intro'd to this concept as news of the OJ verdict spread and it was truly amazing.

Nobody without a brain and some common sense thought he was innocent.
Surely not ALL of the students etc shown actually REJOICING on many campuses could be without common sense or a brain. Hell, they were in COLLEGE!



Reading this brought back a some what similar memory of every black person in the building were I work dancing, high fiving, and cheering like the won the fkn mega millions after OJ was found not guilty.

My first thought was have these fkn people lost their minds or what.

Second thought was disgust.

Reading this brought back a some what similar memory of every black person in the building were I work dancing, high fiving, and cheering like the won the fkn mega millions after OJ was found not guilty.

My first thought was have these fkn people lost their minds or what.

Second thought was disgust.

Institutionalized racism has deep and long lasting effects. What you're seeing is people cheering for the "underdog". They identify (at least racially anyway) with him, and are using the verdict as a victory for "the home team". Why do you roots for Americans in the Olympics or the Eagles?

The reason it's disgusting to you is you don't understand it- cause you've never been judicially repressed because of your skin (i.e. been the underdog)

I remember the verdict being read while I was in high school.

The diciplinarian came over the loadspeaker and said that anyone showing any kind of reaction would be expelled.

My high school was about 65/30/5 white/black/other

No one got kicked out over the verdict

Fred_Barnett
RE: Vick Hilarity
9/26/2007 2:28 PM


The reason it's disgusting to you is you don't understand it- cause you've never been judicially repressed because of your skin (i.e. been the underdog)



Dude no offense but you no know absolutley nothing about me. Where I grew up or my social / economic or ethnic background.

I found it disgusting for the same reason I would find it disgusting if people were cheeering when Robert Blake got off.

Race did not play any part in my feeling of disgust.

Fred_Barnett
RE: Vick Hilarity
9/26/2007 2:28 PM

Institutionalized racism has deep and long lasting effects. What you're seeing is people cheering for the "underdog". They identify (at least racially anyway) with him, and are using the verdict as a victory for "the home team".



Maybe its just me but I see a big difference between "rooting for the underdog" and seeing what is right and what is wrong.

Don't matter what your skin color is to me.

If your guilty than pay the piper.

Dude no offense but you no know absolutley nothing about me.

I thought we were talking about black and white responses to the O.J. trial?

I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that you are not black. Because if you were you'd have a better grasp on what I'm saying (no offense meant).

Race did not play any part in my feeling of disgust.

You misunderstood what I meant.

I never understood the race thing in the OJ trial.

There have been a number of high profile trials and high profile murders, but I haven't been able to put together any pattern in regard to race.

The second biggest trial since then was probably the Lacy Peterson ordeal (white on white crime).

Leonard Little killed a white woman and just got suspended for a couple games.

Jason Williams shot somebody in the face with a Shotgun and it barely registered nationally.

Phil Spector...nobody seems to care and he's clearly guilty/batshit.

It seems like people latch on to certain trials for reasons unrelated to race OTHER THAN the people who come out to specifically support african american defendants guilty or innocent.

I can't begin the understand the social complexities, but Bill O-Reilly and Rush Limbaugh aren't leading "Free Spector" rallies right now.

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