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FB,

By your rationale, it sounds like I give your brothers and sisters far more credit than you do- you act as if anyone committing a crime has a set of undeniable circumstances that leave them powerless to chose anything other than 1 recourse- crime.

Wow.

I give em the same benefit I give all humans- we're all capable of making decisions.
We're not animals or babies.
we all can think and act on our own.

Who cares, F_B? You act like 150 years later, while none of "us" had anything to do with it, it's STILL "our" responsibility to help these poor babies into a situation, whether economically or otherwise, to not feel the need to commit crime anymore.



Fuck that.



Build more prisons.

I think they are locked up more frequently cos they committ more of the crimes.

Why?

Likely tons of reasons. None have to do with me, Joe Q. Whitey, who goes out and works every day for my dough, which i promptly blow on my mortgage etc.
Used to be an apt.- gotta start small, but then I got a house, through some 1st time buyer programs (and some of those better programs werent available to me as Im not a minority 1st time home buyer).

Could be that more blacks find themselves without a strong male figure in the home, one who is able to teach right from wrong, stay off drugs, have goals, aspire for college and maybe beyond? Maybe its the fact that they became daddy's too early, and even in a noble gesture like stealin so they could afford food for their baby, they stole or robbed a uni-mart etc.

I dont know WHY FB, drugs play a large part Im sure. Now, did John Q Whitey give Prisoner X the crack pipe?
No. Likely another African American pusher.
Who gave it to him?
Who knows?
But he chose to take it, and push the product on 'his brothers'.

I could sit here all day FB, the same factors that put a white guy in the can are likely the same ones that put a black guy there- tho studies etc would likely show a trend as to what demographic commits more or what types.

Its not just the disenfranchised who are goin up the river.

For example, I give you the namesake of this thread.

Why?

POOR DECISION MAKING AND LITTLE IF ANY PERSONAL ACCOUNTABILITY.

I blame the drunken Irish or the unscrupulous Italians.

Who cares, F_B? You act like 150 years later, while none of "us" had anything to do with it, it's STILL "our" responsibility to help these poor babies into a situation, whether economically or otherwise, to not feel the need to commit crime anymore.

Calm down, you big baby.

How about this:

I'll admit and shout from the treetops that NONE OF YOU had ANYTHING to do with segregation and racism and slavery and the like.

AND

You'll admit that slavery's and racism's and segregation's effects can still be seen TODAY in 2007.

Fair?

When I said "effects" above I meant to say "after-effects".

"You'll admit that slavery's and racism's and segregation's effects [and the black community's abject failure to tackle them with a position of self-empowerment] can still be seen TODAY in 2007."


Agreed. Done.

See? That wasn't so hard.

See, F_B,


They start young, complete disregard for rules and authority

"You'll admit that slavery's and racism's and segregation's effects [and the black community's abject failure to tackle them with a position of self-empowerment] can still be seen TODAY in 2007."

just in case anyone's interested- some of the after-effects are described here.

Wow, we only got 2 paragraphs of that link before we were forced to subscribe, but it started out really stupid, hopefully got better. Equating the estate tax to hurting blacks since the "number of black that qualify if "infentessmial" is really bad logic, since the number of whites that qualify is "infentessimal" as well...

hey Glenn
eff u

The Black-White Wealth Gap

Dalton Conley

In all the discussions about the Bush tax cut, it seems no one has mentioned the issue of race. This is too bad, since more than any "diverse" Cabinet appointment, more than executive changes in affirmative action regulations, indeed more than any explicitly race-based policy, the $1.6 trillion tax reduction currently on the table will affect prospects for racial equality--for the worse. While African-Americans will be disproportionately left out of the income tax bonanza, the most troubling aspect of Bush's proposal, from the point of view of racial equity, lies in the repeal of the estate tax.

The federal estate tax, which has been in place since 1916, affects only the richest 1.4 percent of the deceased. As the law currently stands, the first $675,000 of net estate value is exempt from tax for individuals ($1.35 million for couples). Because of a 1997 change in the law, this exemption amount will rise steadily until it reaches $1 million for individuals ($2 million for couples) in 2006. Exemptions are even higher for businesses and farms. Since the number of African-Americans who would benefit is infinitesimally small, Bush's goal of eliminating the tax altogether would exacerbate the already growing wealth gap between blacks and whites.

In fact, if there is one statistic that captures the persistence of racial inequality in the United States, it is net worth. (If you want to know your net worth, all you have to do is add up everything you own and subtract from this figure your total amount of outstanding debt.) When we do this for white and minority households across America, incredible differences emerge: Overall, the typical white family enjoys a net worth that is more than seven times that of its black counterpart. (Latinos--a very diverse group--overall fare slightly better than African-Americans but still fall far short of whites.)





This "equity inequity," which has grown in the decades since the civil rights triumphs of the sixties, cannot be explained by income differences alone. That is, while African-Americans do earn less than whites, asset gaps remain large even when we compare black and white families at the same income levels. For instance, at the lower end of the economic spectrum (incomes less than $15,000 per year), the median African-American family has a net worth of zero, while the equivalent white family's net worth is $10,000. Likewise, among the often-heralded new black middle class, the typical white family earning $40,000 per year enjoys a nest egg of around $80,000; its African-American counterpart has less than half that amount. Among the wealthiest Americans, the story is much the same: Oprah Winfrey and Robert L. Johnson (founder of Black Entertainment Television) are the only African-Americans on the Forbes annual list of the 400 richest people in the United States, and they are both on the lower end of the list.

This racial wealth gap accounts for many of the racial differences in socioeconomic achievement that have persisted in the post-civil rights era. When we compare black and white families who have the same income and net worth, we find that African-American kids are more likely to graduate from high school than whites and are just as likely to complete college. And when we compare individuals who grew up in families with the same economic resources--income and wealth--we find that the wage gap between blacks and whites disappears and that African-Americans are just as likely as Anglos to be working full time. But among the poor, a lack of assets makes blacks more likely to rely on welfare.

Stacey Jones, an African-American woman with a graduate degree and a solidly middle-class job, describes a common bind for minority parents: "I am, in effect, priced out of homebuying in good school districts," she says. "This, in turn, makes it difficult for me to pay more for housing, since I am spending a good deal of my income on education for my children." For much of the growing black middle class, a lack of assets means living from paycheck to paycheck, being trapped in a job or a neighborhood that is less beneficial in the long run, or not being able to send one's kids to top colleges. Income provides for day-to-day, week-to-week expenses; wealth is the stuff that upward mobility is made of. Equality of opportunity cannot be achieved under unequal conditions (such as differential access to wealth). Indeed, whether the parents enjoy the American dream of the house, the car and the 401(k) is one of the best predictors of whether a child will have a chance to achieve the same.

For the minority poor, the situation is even more precarious. The $10,000 in equity that impoverished white families enjoy certainly comes in handy when the inevitable economic downturn puts a family member out of work or when a medical crisis strikes. With no asset cushion to speak of, minorities are much more quickly devastated by such a blow.

Equity inequity is, in part, the result of the head start that whites have enjoyed in accumulating and passing on assets. Whites not only earn more now, they have always earned more than African-Americans--a lot more. Wealth differences, in turn, feed off these long-term income differences. Some researchers estimate that up to 80 percent of lifetime wealth accumulation results from gifts in one form or another from past generations of relatives. These gifts can range from the down payment on a first home, to a free college education, to a bequest upon the death of a parent. Over the long run, small initial differences in wealth holdings multiply.

There have also been institutional restraints on black property accumulation. After emancipation, blacks were promised "forty acres and a mule" by the Freedmen's Bureau. Yet the lion's share of confiscated plantations went to white Northerners, who hired the former slaves to cultivate them, inaugurating the system of sharecropping that would keep blacks asset-poor for many decades. For blacks who tried to escape sharecropping, there were formidable obstacles as well. In many Southern states, African-Americans who tried to set up their own businesses were stopped by "black codes" that required African-Americans (but not whites) to pay exorbitant licensing fees. Similarly, if former slaves tried to go west with the promise of free land by virtue of the Homestead Act, they were likely to find that their claim to title was not legally enforceable in some areas.

In the twentieth century, barriers to black property accumulation remained formidable. The Home Owners' Loan Corporation helped many white homeowners avoid default during the Depression, but not black homeowners--in fact, it was this agency that instituted the technique of redlining, in which those neighborhoods deemed high-risk would be assigned a red--no loan--rating. Black neighborhoods invariably received this designation, a practice that private banks adopted, too. Meanwhile, Social Security (originally Old Age Insurance) excluded most black workers, since it exempted the agricultural and service sectors. The result was that a greater proportion of black assets had to be spent on supporting elderly family members, and less could be passed on to the next generation.

Such discrimination persisted after the Depression. The Federal Housing Authority, established in 1937, in combination with the Veterans Administration's home-lending program, which was part of the Servicemen's Readjustment Act of 1944, made homeownership possible for millions of Americans after World War II by underwriting low-interest, long-term loans for first-time homebuyers. But African-Americans were systematically shut out of participation in these programs because loans were channeled to suburbs and away from central cities, where blacks largely resided.

Since the sixties, occasional efforts have been made to promote minority asset accumulation, but they have not amounted to much. In the wake of the urban unrest of the late sixties, there was much talk of fostering black capitalism, mainly through educational programs that aimed to bolster business skills and entrepreneurial spirit. This approach was eclipsed in the seventies by community development corporations (CDCs), which have sought to attract capital to economically depressed minority neighborhoods. Today, CDCs and community development banks, some of which are part of the "enterprise" or "empowerment" zones championed by Jack Kemp and implemented under former President Bill Clinton, continue to promote asset accumulation through inner-city investment.

A more radical policy alternative has called for reparations to black Americans. Espoused by black separatist organizations in the sixties, the argument for reparations was refined during the seventies. One researcher applied compound interest on 1790-1860 slave prices, calculated since the slavery era. The figure he came up with matched what the Republic of New Africa (RNA), a prominent separatist group, was asking for: between a half-trillion and a trillion dollars back in the early 1970s. Today Randall Robinson, co-founder and president of TransAfrica, and others are arguing for reparations through comprehensive social programs [see Randall Robinson, "America's Debt to Blacks," March 13, 2000].

Redlining was outlawed by the 1977 Community Reinvestment Act, although this law was weakened by Congress in 1999.In any case, simply providing African-Americans with the opportunity--or even the means--to become homeowners will not be enough. The problem is that homes in black neighborhoods don't accrue value at the same rate as those in mostly white areas. Property has the particular attribute of quantifying the social value of ideas or objects. A diamond or a misprinted stamp or a Van Gogh has no inherent productive value. Its price reflects only the value accorded to it in the marketplace. In this vein, when a neighborhood's housing values precipitately decline as the proportion of black residents rises, the price changes provide a record of the social value of "blackness."

The devaluation of black neighborhoods is partially a result of white fears of a decline in property values and the "white flight" that ensues. It is in the economic interest of white homeowners to sell off when they anticipate that the neighborhood has reached a racial "tipping point," for fear that others will make the same calculation and sell off first, causing their property to lose value. In other words, there is a causal loop: As long as black neighborhoods are devalued, and whites are a majority and have the ability to decide where they will live, they will have an economic incentive to flee integrated neighborhoods, thus perpetuating the vicious circle.

In this way, blacks and whites are both trapped into reproducing current residential patterns. Even if African-Americans were allowed equal access to the homebuying market and if interest rates were prescribed by law to be the same for blacks and whites, African-Americans would still be at a disadvantage in terms of housing equity, since whites could flee, depressing values for those who remain. Remedies for this situation are difficult to come by. Politically, any policy limiting the market (restricting the ability of white homeowners to sell, for instance) would likely face fierce resistance, since it would fly in the face of the notion of individual choice central to American ideology.

One solution would be to provide "integration insurance." This form of insurance would protect property owners from any rundown in prices that results from a rash in selling as a neighborhood tips from white to black. With this policy in place, the economic incentive to pull out when a neighborhood starts to integrate would be eliminated. The difficulty lies in the details, of course, especially the task of factoring out changes in prices that may result from other forces.

Other policy options to promote wealth equity include a national wealth tax: At the end of each calendar or fiscal year, each individual would use a checklist to assess his assets and liabilities and would be required to pay the government a certain percentage of that net worth if it exceeded a certain deduction. These funds would be redistributed to the asset-poor through dollar-for-dollar government matching funds, as has been proposed in the Savings for Working Families Act of 2001. Removing the asset restrictions currently built into the welfare system is another good idea: If welfare recipients were able to save without being penalized for their asset accumulation, they would be less dependent on public assistance. Finally, the creation of Individual Development Accounts could foster savings among the asset-poor through matching funds provided by the government through a progressive, refundable tax credit. The Bush tax plan, by contrast, helps (predominantly white) millionaires. If tax credits and other asset-encouraging programs were instead to target individuals and communities that are both income- and asset-deprived, they would inevitably favor minorities while being ostensibly color-blind. Sixty-four years ago, W.E.B. Du Bois claimed that if freed slaves had been provided with the forty acres and a mule they had been promised, it would have made for the basis of a real democracy. He is still right today.

Good article by Mr Dalton Commiely

I was wondering when Little Hitler was gonna show up

I just want to say as a WHITE MAN how thrilled I am Phil Spector got off.

YIPEEEEEEEE!!!!!

Interesting that Asian-Americans weren't mentioned in that article. They've encountered racism, internment camps, etc. in this country, yet still manage to thrive.

Our corespondant for Asian Public Relations is currently on haitus to Brazil I believe, and I would say its a fair bet that upon his return, he'll likely be our new correspondant on Brazilian Public Relations.

Safe Return Uber.

What Fred?

Captain "Equality" called you little Hitler.


Discuss.

One solution would be to provide "integration insurance." This form of insurance would protect property owners from any rundown in prices that results from a rash in selling as a neighborhood tips from white to black

I have homeowners, flood, and blacks-moving-next-door insurance.

This is a sociological discussion that will never end. A total loop. Asian-Americans are sometimes referred to as the ‘model minority’, good grades, family values, blah blah blah. Mexicans will cross the border, cook your food, do your laundry in a hush-hush fashion. African Americans however, have something that white corporate America can never quite harness: marketability yet LIABILITY (as seen in corporate eyes).

OJ was the catalyst; in the mid 90’s, I believe Black America was in a transitional period brought on by a decade of timely commentary like ‘Do the Right Thing’, ‘Malcolm X’, Public Enemy—total black consciousness. When that didn’t work, (I think of cases like the ‘Central Park Jogger’, Yusuf Hawkins, Mumia, even Emmett Till way before). Then it all collapsed into gangsta shit (which pretty much started around the late 80’s, but took over). Gangsta was totally marketable, still is, and found its way into suburban white households—liability! It’s like the great ‘race music’ as it was called in the early 50’s, totally there to infiltrate and corrupt your child.. Even Janet Jackson’s black ‘tit offensive’. AA’s as you call them, have so much power, it’s unbelievable. Hey, I believe OJ is so incredibly guilty, however if you’re a media whore in a helicopter, he’s like a juicy steak.

Which brings me around to Michael Vick. The obvious is the complete inhumane animal atrocities he committed, however there’s an undercurrent of corporate “we gave you millions, and this is how you act?” Personally, I think Vick should be prosecuted to the fullest extent for animal cruelty. However, I think any man or woman Black, Asian, Whatever, that’s set on making a deal with corporate anything should be prepared, as it can take one’s rights, soul, money, reputation, etc. with it. ‘It’ owns you when you sign. The NFL is a corporation. Did anyone see the documentary ‘The Corporation’, a little bit long and winded, but it makes one great point—a corporation as an entity mirrors the human traits of a sociopath….
Anyway, done with my liberal rant, skewer me as you wish...

No progress will EVER be made in race relations in this Country.

I disagree.

History has shown that progress has been made. While in the big picture, these have been effectively not much more than baby steps in establishing human dignity, there is nonetheless a very significant difference between society's attitude toward a black man in 1855 vs. 1955 vs. today.

By and large, these problems will all vanish when interracial marriages and couplings have created enough interracial children whose ethnicity is not easily identified by sight. When you can't look at someone and determine their race, it's hard to be racially prejudiced against them.

It won't happen in our lifetime, but I think there's a realistic shot at this happening 2 or 3 or 4 generations from now. As soon as the concept of race is eliminated, racism will vanish.

In the interest of full disclosure- I am a light skinned AA whose great-grandfather is white. I also have a uncle who is white. I love all colors, and try to date them all.

"Where da white women at???"

P.S.

To Neag-
My comment refers to your well documented views on ZOG and was meant to be irreverent- if I hurt your feelings then I am truly sorry and I apologize. I, of all people know how much "words hurt".

The devaluation of black neighborhoods is partially a result of white fears of a decline in property values and the "white flight" that ensues.

Totally one-sided and idiotic. What about all the neighborhoods in Philly that have been "gentrified" over the past decade and now property values are soaring while there are still burned out shells just across the street? Check out what is happening in Graduate Hospital, Northern Liberties, Brewerytown, Spring Garden, etc. The yuppies are moving in, rehabbing homes, sweeping sidewalks, establishing curb appeal, forming town watches against crime, and thriving in what used to be predominantly BLACK neighborhoods.

Granted this is due to the fact that rates in Center City have become too high for some people to afford and they are moving to the outskirts because they still enjoy city life, but to make it seem like whites are afraid of living next to blacks is downright preposterous.

but to make it seem like whites are afraid of living next to blacks is downright preposterous.

Is it?

You might want to check that statement with
"Hoodrat in 736"

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