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According to BBCWorld. The Feds want 1½ - 3 years, Vick's attorneys want 1. I think he gets the 1½ and does 9 months. The Judge might tack on 5 years probabtion.

Believe it or not, I still think he signs with an NFL team in '09 or '10, for the Vet Min (don't even think about it Li'l Joe). There will always be folks who see his talents and think they can get him to work in their system.

I'm thinking he signs with Cleveland and the dog pound welcomes him with open arms

The Ravens also never met a criminal that they couldn't sign.

I read that the local authorities may go forth with a trial and that the plea agreement that Vick made has no bearing on their case. The local charges could add up to over 40 years in the can.

He is done for good. At least he pocketed enough money to buy a small country before all of this (estimated $60 mil/year in salary and endorsements)

I wonder if Marcus will have to sit down with him and have a heart to heart about how Michael's living his life. The the world's most respected Vick, Marcus has to regain control of that family.

Awesome...

African American Community Divided Over Vick Plea Deal

ATLANTA -- Nearly one month ago, hundreds of African-American supporters of Michael Vick rallied outside the Georgia Dome.

Now, after Vick accepted a plea deal on dogfighting charges, some of those supporters said Monday that Vick let them down.

“I shed a tear,” said Gerald Rose, head of the civil rights group New Order. “I’m sad right now.”

Rose organized the pro-Vick demonstration. He, like many black Vick fans, still stand behind the Falcons superstar, despite expectations that he’ll be going to prison.

Rose said Monday that Vick now has to regain the public’s trust.

"What he needs to do when he comes out is to call a press conference and explain where a young man making 130 million dollars would get caught up in something like that,” Rose said.

Fans at Playmakers Barber Shop in Midtown said they still support Vick, because they feel he is innocent, and that he is a victim of a racist judicial system.

"It's bad. I don't condone it at all, but the punishment is too severe, (they’re ruining) a man's career," said barber Dontrell Mapp.

Black civil rights leaders said Vick should be given one more chance.

"This is what we look for, for people to take a stand for what is right and admit they made a mistake," said Charles Steele, president of the Southern Christian Leadership Conference.

Vick supporters will rally again Monday night, before the Atlanta Falcons’ preseason game with the Cincinnati Bengals.

More than half of the team's season ticket holders are African-American.

NAACP thinks vick should be allowed to return to the NFL...


ATLANTA (AP) -- Michael Vick should be allowed to return to the NFL, preferably the Atlanta Falcons, after serving his sentence for his role in a dogfighting operation.

"As a society, we should aid in his rehabilitation and welcome a new Michael Vick back into the community without a permanent loss of his career in football," said R.L. White, president of the NAACP's Atlanta chapter. "We further ask the NFL, Falcons, and the sponsors not to permanently ban Mr. Vick from his ability to bring hours of enjoyment to fans all over this country."

White said the Falcons quarterback is a human being who has made a mistake and should be allowed to prove that he has learned from that mistake.

On Monday, Vick said through a lawyer that he will plead guilty to a federal charge of conspiracy to travel in interstate commerce in aid of unlawful activities and conspiracy to sponsor a dog in an animal fighting venture.

Three Vick associates have pleaded guilty to the conspiracy charge and say Vick provided nearly all the gambling and operating funds for the "Bad Newz Kennels" dogfighting enterprise. Two of them also said Vick participated in executing at least eight underperforming dogs, raising the possibility of the animal cruelty charges.

Last month, state and local leaders of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People urged the public not to rush to judgment in the Vick case. The civil rights organization said animal rights groups, talk radio and the news media were vilifying the embattled athlete, and that his team and corporate sponsors were prematurely punishing Vick.

White said the Atlanta chapter supports Vick's decision to accept a plea bargain if it's in his best interest, but he questioned the credibility of Vick's co-defendants, saying an admission of guilt might be more about cutting losses than the truth.

"At this point, you're not looking at guilt or innocence," White said, referring to the possible harsher sentence Vick could have received had he taken his case to trial and been found guilty. "You're thinking, 'What I better do is cut my losses and take a plea.' But if he saw this as the best thing to do at this point for his future, then I think he made the correct choice."

White said he regretted that the plea deal will mean all the facts of the case might never be known.

"Some have said things to save their own necks," White said. "Michael Vick has received more negative press than if he had killed a human being."

White said he does not support dogfighting and that he considers it as bad as hunting.

"His crime is, it was a dog," White said.



couple of points of note. the first is, the black community was very vocal about letting justice take it's course and not convicting vick before due process. now that justice has been served and vick has plead guilty, the NAACP is saying the truth wasn't really allowed to come out; in other words, still unwilling to condemn vick.

the next point: the spokesman for the NAACP parrellels dogfighting with hunting, saying his crime was only that it was a dog.

pathetic.

Tell me you honestly expected anything but.

Seriously man.

I think I'll form a foundation-

W.T.F.U.C.K

Whites that Fondle Underage Children & Kids.

If they plead guilty to a charge, once released, I move that they be allowed out, and given 1 more chance, and able to live in the same neighborhoods as anyone who's name is on a petition to extend Vick "1 more chance."

Just saw that article and was about to link it. Apparently just because he plead guilty doesn't mean he IS guilty to some:

"White said the Atlanta chapter supports Vick's decision to accept a plea bargain if it's in his best interest, but he questioned the credibility of Vick's co-defendants, saying an admission of guilt might be more about cutting losses than the truth."
"At this point, you're not looking at guilt or innocence," White said, referring to the possible harsher sentence Vick could have received had he taken his case to trial and been found guilty. "You're thinking, 'What I better do is cut my losses and take a plea.' But if he saw this as the best thing to do at this point for his future, then I think he made the correct choice."

Everybody's an apologist.

if Vick really wants to get his message across, he needs to appear on "The Maury Show"....

Now they can make a real life version of "The Longest Yard".

Vick is just a pawn at this point. To his lawyers, he's a paycheck. To the government, he's a trophy. To the NAACP and other black interest groups, he's a martyr for being unfairly persecuted by the white man and being "snitched" on by his friends.

If Vick didn't do it, he wouldn't have plead guilty. It's that simple. Do those people have any clue how hard it would be to convict a professional athlete in his prime if they had no evidence against him other than the word of a few thugs? If he pled guilty the evidence has to be completely overwhelming.

Also, things aren't worse than if he'd have killed someone. If he had killed someone he wouldn't be looking at a 1 year prison term. In fact, and this is a shocker, the punishment fits the crime! In terms of public perception, yeah...it's being made a bigger deal than it should be. Brett Myers giving his wife a "stern talking to" in public barely made a ripple on the national scene, and I think beating a woman is as bad as most of the stuff Vick has done. I say most because the torture aspect is especially troubling.

I was discussing this with EAG yesterday, but think about some of the traits Vick has displayed:

- Impulsiveness and an inability to control himself.

- Lying on a grand scale in ways he'd easily be caught.

- Deceiving with the use of multiple aliases.

- Drug use.

- Use of violence and torture on animals.

- Lacking remorse or accountability of any kind for his multiple brush-ups, normally declaring his innocence, making excuses, or rationalizing his behavior. Two recent examples being the dog fighting case and throwing the airline sponsering him under the bus when he missed that flight to talk with congress.

- Irresponsibility, such as his failure to meet commitments.

- Inability to conform to laws or other social norms.


That's pretty much the profile of a sociopath. I'm not saying he IS a sociopath, but jesus...

If nothing else, they need to take a good hard look at him in prison and see if the can fix him before he gets out of jail in a year and spends the rest of his life raping teenagers or something.

SEE........TO really wasn't so bad afterall!

Ala Clinton Portis, Stephon Marbury has to open his trap and chime in.

Equating dog fighting with hunting, "except its behind closed doors."

Nice!

SEE........TO really wasn't so bad afterall!

Sadly, some still think that torturing dogs isn't as bad as throwing a dog toy thief under the bus.

Shame on you

According to BBCWorld. The Feds want 1½ - 3 years, Vick's attorneys want 1. I think he gets the 1½ and does 9 months. The Judge might tack on 5 years probabtion.

I don't think so, from what I've heard( thankfully I'm not a lawyer or ever faced Fed time) but he will have to do all time sentanced no early parole so if he gets 12-18 months he will have to do the 12-18... I am pretty sure someone can verify this is true.

Again- the wisdom (and mispellings, improper grammar etc) of 1 G-Cobb, chiming in on how poorly the NAACP played the Vick case:

Support Of Vick Exposes Blacks & NAACP
Written by Garry Cobb
Thursday, 23 August 2007

Am I the only person who thinks there's something wrong with the NAACP standing up for Michael Vick in a dogfighting case but attacking Donovan McNabb over all the Terrell Owens nonsense.

Does it make sense to you? Here you have the NAACP speaking out on behalf of Michael Vick who has admitted guilt. They demand that he be treated fairly. A couple of years ago you had the head of the NAACP here in Philadelphia, Jerry Mondesire, coming out criticizing McNabb for his play and his handling of the Terrell Owens incidents. You would figure that a guy like McNabb who has never been in any trouble and done tons of charity work would get the nod over Vick, who has never been arrested by the police but, he supposedly gave a women herpes in the “Ron Mexico incidence” and he had the marijuana smelling bottle at the airport Rather than this trouble excluding Vick from NAACP support, it qualifies him for it.

Poor leadership is one of the major factors that has a good percentage of "Black America" headed backward.

Also notice that you have a lot more black people speaking up for Michael Vick in this dogfighting case than you had supporting McNabb when he dealing with Terrell Owens. Black people call 610-WIP and question Donovan McNabb's blackness because he came from a two parent family and has never been in any trouble with the law.

You'll see support rise for Michael Vick after he's sentenced and does his time. This criminal jail culture and the acceptance of it, permeates much of Black America. Kobe Bryant became a "real brother" when he got charged with rape.

People in the sports world foolishly single out black athletes as being spoiled because of the athletic prowess. That's not the major factor in why so many get in trouble with the law. Most of these athletes came up in this "Criminal Culture" where most of the men in their lives have been to prison or been in trouble with the law. Going to jail or prison is a "badge of honor". Having an attitude, being angry and mad is part of being a "real brother".

If a black athlete just does his job and refuses to be a sulking trouble maker, then he's not a "real brother". You saw that in the case of McNabb and Kobe before he got in trouble. Somebody as talented as Barry Bonds can still make millions and be angry with his bosses, but the millions of black kids nationwide are going to remain jobless and without an education, if they don't get a different attitude. A "real brother's" attitude will keep you poor, jobless and in prison...

I don't disagree with everything that he said, but most of it.

G-Cobb's solution= Don't Worry, Be Happy

I guess you know how I feel about his use of the word "culture".

I don't know how you could disagree with most of that. I could find fault with with some of it, but not most of it.

HONESTLY.

How can you find fault with MOST of that?
Like FD said, some of it sure. BUT MOST?

Yipes.
What parts do you disagree with man?

For one thing F-D, the major premise of his article is that the NAACP speaks for black people in general. Which of course they don't. Nobody I know supported Vick at all.

The "poor leadership" statement I can get on board with- but the simplistic notion that the reason black kids don't succeed because of their "sullen attitudes" as a cause instead of a symptom, is very troubling to me.

FB- he cites the NAACP and BLACK PEOPLE as separate entities and where the latter are concerned, he cites how many blindly support Vick, and how Vick is seen as "a real brother" where McNabb has his blackness questioned daily by black callers to WIP.

I think he was talking about both parties separately and not as if the NAACP spoke FOR black folks.

Not only that, Fred, but I noticed that this is being reported more as "NAACP says..." rather than "the local, Atlanta chapter of the NAACP says..."

It's even less relevant. Just another organization trying to look important by releasing a statement.

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