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8/29/2007 4:09 AM
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(Tim Dwight is available.) I think it is safe to say that although the eagles love the kid, bloom (Tim Dwight is available.) just isn't going to be a very productive return man. Bloom (Tim Dwight is available.) has trouble finding the seam and for as fast as he is, he sure does run a lot east and west. I hear Eddie Drummond's name coming up on a lot of threads, but never really liked him either. I hope to see the birds pick Dwight up before the season starts, hopefully along with a veteran linebacker and o-lineman.
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8/29/2007 6:33 AM
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Is Tim Dwight available?
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Seth in 736
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8/29/2007 8:52 AM
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I think Reid's goin to stick with Bloom, and the only reason Choppahs is gettin a shot tomorrow nite is to calm Reid down, provide him someone he could use (if he shows he can do it) if he needs to while he either a) writes off Bloom and scours the wire / chickie and Peete's or b) lets Bloom come into his own.
I think Bloom makes the initial cut down to 53, if i had to bet.
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bassiladelph
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8/29/2007 9:05 AM
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With the way Spuds has been slagging him lately (and with all that was expected of him), it's hard to see them do a 180 and keep him on. Though I feel more confident with him back there than Duckfoot, if only because Ducky has very little experience back there.
And I'm half expecting some nimrod to call WIP (for entertainment purposes only) and ask why the Eagles didn't sign JR Reed to return kicks.
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8/29/2007 10:20 AM
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Geez I mention Dwight in one thread and someone runs apesh*t with it. Btw Drummond is already signed to the Chiefs.
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f-dallas
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8/29/2007 10:31 AM
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All indications are Bloom will make the team or not tomorrow night. I think they want Bloom to succeed, but I think he has injuries bothering him and his speed just hasn't been there.
I want Bloom to get it done, but if he has another piss poor showing and it's because of the toe, IR his ass and get someone else in there.
The first wave of cuts is almost always a list of shitty players, so I assume Dwight is done. As the roster cuts get down to 53, they might be able to find a pretty good return man, but he'd likely be a specialist.
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bassiladelph
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8/29/2007 10:43 AM
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Well you know they'll be looking through those players with a fine-toothed dollar comb, but what would be the point of putting Bloom on the IR again?
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f-dallas
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8/29/2007 10:53 AM
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If you believe Spuds, Bloom looked extremely fast in mini-camps and the beginning of training camp, but suddenly lost his giddy-up. I don't know if it was an injury or "camp legs", but if it's an injury IRing a guy is like a free roster spot.
If he's not hurt they won't do it, but we'll see.
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8/29/2007 10:54 AM
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I'm a little surprised by this turn of events... The first game against the Ravens I loved Bloom, he caught the ball and ran striaght up field no juking just get as many yards as possible, and he also looked good at WR late in the game. I was actually upset that they were playing him at WR, because it was the first time since JR that I felt the Eagles had a decent to good return man. The next week against the Panthers he looked tenative as if he was told he had to do more make guys miss and he was trying to "break the big one" and the juking started...
I don't what happened but my guess is someone got in his head and he felt he had to do more, and the way he is being called out by the coaches and Spuds makes it look like they are trying to smack him in the head and back in line... I hope he makes the team I felt good with him as a return man, and actually felt the blocking was/is the problem. EVERY year teams go through this, because the return teams are made up from the bottom half of the roster, and during preseason they rotate guys a lot to get film and see how they play. This IMO tends to hurt the return man's ability to look good, BUT once the team is set I think they would/will become better blocking and Bloom will be OK... anyway that my thoughts if anyone has actually read that he has an injury tha is affecting him let me know, otherwise I think this is more like in house bulletin board material, just trying to fire Bloom up...
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8/29/2007 10:59 AM
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f-d they did that last year to him, and IMO it doesn't seem like they'd IR him again they have to pay his full contract IF they do. 2 years in a row for him to get his football legs back isn't worth the money they'd be paying him. Last year I think it was smart, and I thik they will IR Barksdale this year to help him get more football knowhow since he only played the 1 year of college ball but has shown me(at least) a lot of promise. If Bloom has slowed somewhat they will cut him not IR him again.
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bassiladelph
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8/29/2007 11:16 AM
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Agree with Tat - it's asking a lot to IR him again if he's not ready to produce when they expect him to, especially if he doesn't have any other use aside from being a returner.
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8/29/2007 11:52 AM
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A big fat NO to Tim Dwight. He has lost a step, and when a limited ability player like him, doesn't have the speed he used to, he's done in the NFL. Let someone like the Redskins pick him up.
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f-dallas
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8/29/2007 12:58 PM
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Here's a name I'll throw out: Mewelde Moore.
The Vikes have Peterson and Chester Taylor who are locks to make the team. They have Fason, Moore, and Artose Pinner on the roster as well.
Fason is a high 2nd round pick who has been unsuccessful thus far in his first 2 seasons. Pinner is a "big back" and the biggest on their roster at 230+ lbs.
Moore would be the 3rd best back on their roster and the 4th or 5th option at worst, depending on how much they'd like to keep a big back and a former 2nd round pick.
Moore is in the last year of his rookie deal with absolutely no chance to start and they removed him from kickoff returns where he's been average. At this point, he's basically a punt return specialist for them and he's only returned 3 punt for something like 3 yards in the pre-season.
His punt return skills are solid, though. He's return one for a TD in each of the last 2 seasons and he averages over 10 yards per return. He was basically 8th in the league in return yards last year (among guys who did it a majority of the time) and averaged about 2 fewer yards per return than Pac-Man and Hester.
He also plays for the Vikes, a frequent trading partner since the arrival of Childress.
I have no idea how available he is, but he would seem to be a bubble guy on their roster due to the numbers game and if they aren't planning on cutting him, maybe they'd take a 6th round pick to give him up?
I'm completely speculating, but that's the kind of guy and situation I would assume the Eagles are looking at right now.
There are other potential guys, but it's tough trying to figure out who might be available and who might be able to do both.
For instance, Miles Austin from the Cowboys might be a good kick returner who could be cut, but he can;t return punts.
Ditto Chris Barclay for the Browns. He's averaging 37 yards per kickoff return this pre-season including an 88 yards return for TD. He's never returned punts, but the Browns signed their Kick/punt returner to a 6 year extension last year and this guy is the 4th back at best (they signed him as an undrafted FA and played him in NFL Europa last year), so he might be an option on the waiver wire for kicks, but i have no clue on punts.
I'm going to keep looking, though.
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bassiladelph
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8/29/2007 1:44 PM
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The Birds are probably thinking that they have another RB on standby in Reno. The only thing Reno has above Moore is his knowing the system, and that's seemingly enough, aggravating as it is. Besides, he can be had for peanuts, while Moore demands they part with a precious.
Barclay might be more likely, but the Birds like for their return guys to be able to do something else. And unless he has hands on his ankles, he's probably not a good choice in their minds.
I don't think there's anyone out there that will make a big enough impact that they need to be signed, if only because the supposed depth of the Eagles' roster isn't showing in the return game yet. It'll get better as the season goes on, so their reasoning might be why go out when they can promote from within?
Of course, this is all a smokescreen, because Tim Dwight is available.
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f-dallas
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8/29/2007 2:30 PM
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With Moore, and again this is just complete speculation on my part, he's been playing in the Eagles offense with Childres. He should be able to handle the Eagles playbook pretty quickly.
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f-dallas
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8/30/2007 11:04 AM
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This is interesting (from Rotowire, via the Star-Tribune):
Mewelde Moore worked as the Vikings' fourth-string tailback in the team's third exhibition game, behind Artose Pinner.
The Vikings have been reported to be showcasing Moore for a trade, but he also may be cut once camp is over. He could contribute as a third-down back and returner for a team like Baltimore, Chicago, St. Louis, or Cleveland.
I really don't think they'd cut him, but I'd be really happy if the Eagles could acquire him.
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9/10/2007 4:02 PM
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I hear greg lewis may be available this week? anyone interested?
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eaglefanok
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9/10/2007 10:12 PM
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Man, maybe it's just me but, I remember some pretty fucking exciting returns from Thrash..........
I'd really like someone to have Thrash's uncanny ability to make defenders miss while also possessing Pinkston's muscular build.
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9/10/2007 10:24 PM
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Hmmm...skier makes financial "sense"...
http://www.phillyburbs.com/pb-dyn/news/256-09102007-1405103.html
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aksdude
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9/10/2007 10:29 PM
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9/11/2007 12:36 AM
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Man, maybe it's just me but, I remember some pretty fucking exciting returns from Thrash..........
It's just you.
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9/11/2007 8:22 AM
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Trash stats
2001
PR - 0
RY - 0
TD - 0
KO Returns - 5
RY - 100
Longest 34
TD - 0
2003
PR - 5
RY - 101
TD - 0
KO Returns - 34
RY - 815
Longest 54
TD - 0
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f-dallas
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9/11/2007 11:25 AM
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Science help us:
Eagles call Reno Mahe back to the nest
By Bob Brookover
Inquirer Staff Writer
So now we know that "not necessarily" means "probably" in the most recent version of Andy Reid's conceal-my-thoughts dictionary. Asked yesterday if the reports were true that the Eagles planned to bring back Reno Mahe in an effort to avoid a repeat of Sunday's punt-return disasters, the head coach said, "Not necessarily." By late afternoon, the Eagles had contacted Mahe in Utah and asked him to get on an airplane bound for Philadelphia.
"I just got the call about a half-hour ago," Mahe said from his cell phone around 5 p.m. "All they said was we're flying you out here and we'll see you soon. I'm just excited to come back."
The Eagles declined to comment on whether they would sign Mahe to handle punt returns, but all signs point in that direction.
Mahe, a four-year veteran who was the team's primary punt and kick returner last season, was a free agent and did not get picked up by another team. He said he did not get overly depressed about the fact that his career might be over after four seasons.
"I've never been in this situation before, but I've heard so much about the NFL being a business," Mahe said. "You always have to have a plan for the future, and I was just trying to enjoy life."
When Mahe was first reached by phone early yesterday afternoon, he said he had not been contacted by the Eagles, but he was definitely hoping to hear from them after watching former teammates Greg Lewis and J.R. Reed fumble away punts that resulted in 10 points for the Green Bay Packers during the Eagles' deflating 16-13 defeat on opening day.
"I keep getting calls from 215 numbers thinking they're from the team, but they're from the media," Mahe said. "Right now, I'm just working out back in Utah."
The question is whether Mahe can make the transition from being unemployed to being a reliable returner within a week. The Eagles play again Monday night against the Washington Redskins.
"I guess we're going to have to see," Mahe said. "I certainly have never been in this position before. It's hard to simulate 11-on-11 with full pads. But I think I'll be able to hold my own."
It would be hard to think he could do any worse than what fans saw Sunday.
The subject of the botched punt returns dominated Reid's day-after news conference at the NovaCare Complex. The Eagles, of course, spent most of the preseason trying to give the job to Jeremy Bloom, a 2006 fifth-round pick out of the University of Colorado. Reid, however, was unimpressed by Bloom's work and opted to go with Lewis as the punt returner while bringing back Reed to handle kick returns.
"Obviously, we thought we could get it done with those guys we had there, and it didn't work out this game," Reid said. "Again, I'm not ruling out the guys that are here, either. But that's my responsibility to have it right, and I didn't get this one right."
The coach was asked if he has changed his views on what he wants to see from his return specialists, given Sunday's disastrous results.
"That he catches the football," the coach said.
Bloom did that part well, but he didn't have any explosive returns after injuring his toe in the preseason opener at Baltimore. Asked if he put too much faith in Bloom and didn't give Lewis enough repetitions in the preseason, Reid refused to have regrets on the issue.
"We could look at all the hindsight things right now," he said. "Greg's thing right now is inexperience. Again, I can go back and look at that. Those are things I evaluated and I put him in a bad position."
Reid opted to go with Reed as the punt returner after Lewis made a second ill-advised decision fielding a punt in the third quarter of Sunday's game.
"I felt like J.R. was a good, solid catcher making good decisions," the coach said.
Reed, however, had never returned a punt in a regular-season game, and neither had Lewis before Sunday.
As the questions continued to mount about the now-infamous punt returns, Reid got defensive.
"These guys are well-coached and all these situations have been covered," the coach said. "Things happen in games, where J.R. made an honest effort for the football on something that if he had to do over again, he wouldn't do. He knew the problem when he came off, obviously. But all those situations have been covered and he's been told and so on. It's an honest mistake there. It's my responsibility to make sure I put guys back there that can get the job done. I had a lot of confidence in J.R. that he could do that."
Now, it appears as if Mahe is going to get another chance to handle returns. In 2005, he led the NFL with a 12.8-yard punt-return average. That number slipped to 9.4 yards last season, which would have been good enough for 13th in the league, but he didn't have enough returns to qualify. He also averaged 22.2 yards per kickoff return, which ranked 26th in the league.
More important, Mahe caught the football and secured it.
If he had been around to do that Sunday, the Eagles would be tied with Dallas and Washington for first place in the NFC East.
Instead, they are tied for last with the New York Giants.
Contact staff writer Bob Brookover
at 215-854-2577 or bbrookover@phillynews.com.
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bassiladelph
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9/11/2007 11:46 AM
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Some people laughed at me when I said Mahe would return.
Definitely a lose-lose situation.
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Fred_Barnett
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9/11/2007 11:47 AM
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What's the point in the secrecy? Can't even give a simple answer to a simple question, it's not like they're protecting anything from anyone. Although it's (Mahe) a necessary move, it underscores why I can't stand the Human Chin.
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