Thongdar

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9/10/2007 10:15 AM




I thought it (interence on allowing Lewis to catch the punt) was a shitty non-call by the refs. Sounds like sour grapes, but I've heard a couple of Giant and Jet fans this morning saying the same thing. It was clearly interference, IMO. The 2nd one by Reid was a joke. He was cut by the Giants because ...? Correct. He blows.

1st and goal from the 6, and they throw 2 swing passes and don't throw the ball into the end zone? WTF??!!!! Is that the play calling, or McNabb hitting his safety valve? Whatever, file THAT as something that even Vo Tech or 1-AA teams DON'T FUCKING DO!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The final three drives of the 4th quarter, one of which started in GB territory, got them a total of 22 yards. Unexcusable.

Was it overall shitty play calling, shitty pass routes, shitty quarterbacking, or a combo of all three?

Bottom line - they didn't come ready to play. A little cocky maybe?

If they don't come out and play significantly better on Monday night, it's gonna get ugly ...




Thongdar

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9/10/2007 10:19 AM




Nor was that non-call even mentioned as a possibility by Albert or Moose or that other fat turd.

Speaking of which, Siragusa should be shot. How many times do I have to look at his fat ass on a wide angle lens from the end zone, and listen to him pretending he is anything other than a fat worthless bag of wind. Horrible.




f-dallas

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9/10/2007 10:36 AM




I've also come to the conclusion that I want the Eagles to lose games in a lot of ways. A Super Bowl would obviously be my first choice, but my second choice is this regime being humiliated into retirement so we can see some fresh blood in there.




Dean-o

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9/10/2007 11:02 AM




You guys wanna sever the heads?, … that’s okay by me. BUT, … Spare me the line of forgiveness crap for Lewis and Reid, … these guys are football players. They’re heralded as the best athletes in the world, (and paid accordingly). Granted, catching a football as it drops out of the sky may not be their “specialty”, but it is something that should be reasonably thought of as doable by a professional football player with a skill for catching a football.




f-dallas

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9/10/2007 11:08 AM




Dean-o, I couldn't disagree more.

Returning punts is a specialty. Few can do it well and it takes years to learn how to field them cleanly, when to let one go, when to grab one, when to fair catch, how to make the first guy miss, read blocks, etc.

It's an incredibly difficult specialty because any mistake equals a turnover...you only have about 1 second or less between securing the ball and first contact from a guy who has been running full speed for 50 yards.

You can't just throw anyone back there and expect they should be able to get it done because they are football players.

Kick returns, on some level, are more plug and play. It's a lot easier to plug a guy in there because there is more room for error.

You can't give 2 guys with zero punt return experience a week to learn the job and expect anything less than what they got, IMO.




SeeZakRun

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9/10/2007 11:10 AM




Punt returning has to be the scariest job in an already scary game. It's definitely not something just anybody can do, although yesterday was a perfect storm of mistakes.




section 371

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9/10/2007 11:11 AM




I said it yesterday and I'll say it again today.

That was the absolute WORST PR display I've ever seen.

They would have been better off not even sending any one back to receive punts at all.

The coaches need to send the message to the team and cut both of those fkn clowns today.

How can they possibly send either one of those fkn buffoons to receive punts or KOs on Monday is beyond me?

There has got to be somebody available that can at least put his hand up for a fair catch or someone who won’t dive at the ball like a fkn bozo with 3 guys on his ass.

Never seen nothing like it…




Jules_Jr

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9/10/2007 11:15 AM




I don't know how to type/transliterate "inarticulate yell".

Sorry, F-d, I can't imagine that Glewis and Reed can't catch a ball and fall down immediately to not get killed.

It would be easy to focus on the punt returns for good reason, but Reid/Morningwood's play calling was just atrocious. If your QB is getting hurried/sacked all day, then do something to get the pressure off of him.

I pray that Reid will one day realize that play action works when you FUCKING RUN THE FUCKING BALL! I'm not sure what Banner saw when Reid interviewed, other than a big binder with cheeseburger stains. The stupid notion that everything is interchangeable is retarded. I look at Moss having a great day and I wonder. I look at Owens having a pretty good ay and I wonder. I look at Dante Hall making a great return and I wonder.

Strike that. I don't wonder. Reid is an idiot.




Jules_Jr

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9/10/2007 11:16 AM




Is Tim Dwight or Eric Metcalf available?




bassiladelph

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9/10/2007 11:17 AM




I heard Tim Dwight was available. Don't remember from where, though. PFT?




Jules_Jr

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9/10/2007 11:21 AM




PS, Lewis...you shouldn't feel like you let your team down. YOU DID!




bassiladelph

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9/10/2007 11:27 AM




FB underrated PR horribly, especially with Mahe. Mahe made this job look easy. Hey, anybody can catch! He has no field presence, no breakaway speed, and yet people look to him because he can catch and he had such a high return average. Nobody to scare the opposing team, no one smart enough not to field a punt inside the 10, no one fast enough to get away. "Hey, my offense is so good, I can score from anywhere! I just want someone to get the ball". At least that's what it felt with Mahe back there.

At this point, even if they re-sign Reno, they're still going to have ST problems all year. Like your best punter who's most important punt was less effective than just kicking the ball out of the end zone.




Dean-o

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9/10/2007 11:34 AM




Honest, … not trying to be argumentative or confrontational.

In the past couple comments I’ve read the following, … “It's an incredibly difficult specialty because any mistake equals a turnover” and “Punt returning has to be the scariest job in an already scary game”. Listen, … these guys are professional athletes playing a sport they’ve been groomed to play for, in some cases, the past decade. They have the physical ability to catch the ball. What you guys are describing is a mental weakness. Bottomline, … they both committed mental errors and choked under the pressure.




f-dallas

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9/10/2007 11:38 AM




Sorry, F-d, I can't imagine that Glewis and Reed can't catch a ball and fall down immediately to not get killed.

How can you not believe it....you saw it with your own eyes!

Being a punt returner is a very, very tough job and it takes a certain makeup to do it.

Think about this...Greg Lewis has been playing football for 20 years and never returned a punt before. Last week they said "you're our punt returner" and he had to do it in an NFL game 7 days later.

With JR Reed, he's been playing football his entire life. He's even been a kick return specialist. He's never returned punts. He got about 2 days notice that he'll be the emergency punt returner and fielded some punts in practice this week. He's then inserted into a game.

I wasn't surprised by their failures at all and assumed there would be at least 1 fumble and poor decisions made before the game happened.




SeeZakRun

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9/10/2007 11:41 AM




Dean-o, by that logic, you can put Pat Burrell at shortstop and expect him to go deep in the hole and nail a guy at first. After all he's a pro baseball player getting paid lots of money, he should be able to make all the plays.

I don't think anyone here is excusing the players, but if you place people where they've never been placed before, in high intensity, highly-specialized situations, you can't expect a flawless outcome. If G-Lew and Reed were to return punts next week (god forbid) you might not see any mistakes. Again, yesterday was a perfect storm.




bassiladelph

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9/10/2007 11:41 AM




They both made mental errors, true. But blame the coaching staff for not preparing them mentally for the position. Stevie Wonder could see that Lewis catching punts was a bad idea.

But it's not as if you can throw anyone out there, like they would do with Mahe. Mental prep is only part of the game. These guys have to be able to think under pressure, to make the right decisions in a heartbeat while knowing that they could get hit.




bassiladelph

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9/10/2007 11:43 AM




SZR, they'd still make mistakes next week. Both have shown poor decision making skills under pressure, and they lack the presence to be able to discern what's catchable, where to go, when to call a fair catch, etc.

They really thought that if Mahe could do it, anybody could.




f-dallas

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9/10/2007 11:43 AM




Listen, … these guys are professional athletes playing a sport they’ve been groomed to play for, in some cases, the past decade. They have the physical ability to catch the ball. What you guys are describing is a mental weakness. Bottomline, … they both committed mental errors and choked under the pressure.

Dean-o, if you needed brain surgery would you walk into the hospital say "first available doctor would do"?

I'm not comparing punt returning to brain surgery, but it is a specialty that takes longer than a week to learn. Some people can't ever do it with any amount of practice.

The coaches know that...they gambled and lost.




f-dallas

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9/10/2007 11:45 AM




Also, I want to see hands of people who've returned a punt in their lives...I think there's a disconnect here that I can't explain.




SeeZakRun

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9/10/2007 11:46 AM




SZR, they'd still make mistakes next week.

Yes, probably. In the last preseason game he caught a ball on the 3 yard line, but the coaching staff still said he's their guy. It's obvious who is more at fault here.




bassiladelph

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9/10/2007 11:51 AM




And how does Avant not get criticized for pulling a Trent Cole?




Fred_Barnett

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9/10/2007 11:52 AM




Also, I want to see hands of people who've returned a punt in their lives...

Done it. I hate to say it, but this time, FD, you actually are right on target. Gotta blame the coaches for that debacle.




f-dallas

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9/10/2007 11:56 AM




Also, I wouldn't be shocked in the slightest if JR Reed is cut, but it won't be because of the fumble.

They'll look to bring in a guy who can return punts and kicks...maybe Mahe (ugh), but I can't see them keeping two return specialists on the roster, which would mean curtains for Reed.




bassiladelph

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9/10/2007 11:58 AM




I'd almost think they'd keep Reed, if only because they're thin at DB, especially if Lito's injury is as bad as it seems. But they put themselves in this position, anyway. Cutting Reed isn't the solution, though bringing him in wasn't exactly a hot idea, either.




Dean-o

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9/10/2007 12:03 PM




Okay. … As I stated from the beginning, you can sever the heads. I don’t have a problem with that at all. I still don’t buy into the thought that a professional athlete, with larger than life personas shouldn’t be expected to catch a football in that situation because it’s not his area of expertise but hey, … that’s just me.

I’ll move on, … So what do they do to correct the issue? Anything in the wind coming out of Philly?




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