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Fred_Barnett
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10/22/2007 9:54 AM
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I'm actually seeing the glass half full on this one. It should be morbidly entertaining watching the "leaders" of this team crumble when the locker room implodes.
Sort of like vicious, ravenous dogs turning on each other inside the cage. Awesome
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NotoriousEAG
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10/22/2007 10:10 AM
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I was supposed to go to the game yesterday and I realized a couple days beforehand that I really didn't want to go through all the hassle of getting in and out of the city to see a bunch of lame duck losers.
What happened to your P and L?
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f-dallas
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10/22/2007 10:15 AM
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I'm somewhat curious what Spuds has to say, if it's going to be another "bury 5" session.
Tough not to bury his performance yesterday.
There were open receivers he never saw, he was missing guys badly. He was checking down on every play.
If they would have won the game, you could give McNabb credit for making the plays he needed to in order to win the game (notably the perfectly thrown TD pass and first down scramble).
However, under the microscope of the loss you have to hold him more accountable for the plays he failed to make (IMO).
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f-dallas
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10/22/2007 10:19 AM
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What happened to your P and L?
Still have my P and L, but I'm done with this team. I like it better when they lose.
I'll continue to watch, continue to follow them intently, and continue to channel the Momma McNabb, but going to watch them play now would feel like buying tickets to a Holyfield fighting 2007.
You're a little embarrassed. A little sad for him. You almost want someone to put him out of his misery. That's what I think of this team...they need new blood instead of basking in the glory of their prior success.
McNabb has played his best game as an Eagle. Dawk has played his best game as an Eagle. Kearse has played his best game as an Eagle. We've reached the point of diminishing returns and it's time to rebuild.
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bassiladelph
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10/22/2007 10:26 AM
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Watching Asskiss last night aggravated me even further about the team, when he was saying that (again) it wasn't the Eagles' fault that Softserve wasn't here, in that they were going to give him more money for a 1 year deal (I thought the deal with NE was for 3 years, loaded with incentives), but his agent pointed him to NE instead. And then he defended the Birds, saying that getting good WRs is difficult.
I didn't think Stallworth would come back here anyway after that substance abuse fiasco.
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f-dallas
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10/22/2007 10:47 AM
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Stallworth isn't the problem.
I'd love the Eagles to have his speed in the lineup (he's clearly faster than Curtis), but I think Curtis is an upgrade on the underneath stuff.
Reggie Brown looks slow, though. Not sure why.
The thing that's really strange is the Eagles, who threw the ball deep at least 2 or 3 times every game for the last few years, aren't even taking a shot downfield.
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Thongdar
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10/22/2007 10:54 AM
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"Bring on the losses and let's see if Kolb has a future or not before the next draft."
I agree, because clearly McKnob is shot. However, how Kolb or anybody can show ANY promise with this knucklehead offensive scheme is beyond me. You think these assholes are gonna change their mule mindset with a different QB?
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TheTalon
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10/22/2007 10:58 AM
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Speaking of, what the Hell was with the 7 yard pass at the end of the game?
I mean, I've come to accept that Andy Reid never tries to win when the team is trailing by one score with less than 2 minutes remaining (see Bowl, Super), but what the Hell is McNabb's logic in throwing the ball 7 yards into the middle of the field when there's no time left on the clock?
You know, you might think Reid have learned something from Fassel's hook-and-ladder play which, if not for Damon Moore, would have won the game for the Giants. Of course, that would imply that Andy Reid has the ability to learn lessons from the past, and well...shit. I guess I just answered my own question.
Thanks for allowing me to work this out, guys.
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bassiladelph
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10/22/2007 11:02 AM
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They pretty much gave up after the TD, and the pathetic attempt at The Play on the kickoff wasn't even weak enough to be called feeble.
Not even a Hail Mary.
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f-dallas
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10/22/2007 11:03 AM
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I agree, because clearly McKnob is shot. However, how Kolb or anybody can show ANY promise with this knucklehead offensive scheme is beyond me. You think these assholes are gonna change their mule mindset with a different QB?
Never know. This team is basically healthy and from everything I've read, the Eagles believe McNabb is personally stalling the offense.
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f-dallas
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10/22/2007 11:04 AM
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I mean, I've come to accept that Andy Reid never tries to win when the team is trailing by one score with less than 2 minutes remaining (see Bowl, Super), but what the Hell is McNabb's logic in throwing the ball 7 yards into the middle of the field when there's no time left on the clock?
I put that on the coach again. Unless it was some kind of hook/ladder that never got off the ground why is a play called that features a 7 yard drag?
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bassiladelph
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10/22/2007 11:05 AM
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Here's another thing - the nimrods last night said that the incomplete pass that McNabb threw near the end of the game that stopped the clock wasn't that important. Yeesh, that play happened at 3:22, and had they just run up the middle or something like that, the Bears' comeback probably doesn't happen.
It's just another log on the fire, but there's no reason to call a pass when you're no longer playing against the Bears and are playing against the clock.
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f-dallas
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10/22/2007 11:23 AM
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What about McNabb's first down scramble?
I know the first down was the most important thing and he should be getting out of bounds whenever possible, but scooting out cost them 30 seconds.
All those little things are important in hindsight, but what it comes down to is execution and play calling.
Specifically, execution in the red zone killed them again and I think they are now the worst red zone team in football.
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Fred_Barnett
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10/22/2007 11:33 AM
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Specifically, execution in the red zone killed them again and I think they are now the worst red zone team in football.
Amazing to think that this team (minus a playmaking WR) was in the SuperBowl a couple of years ago.
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bassiladelph
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10/22/2007 11:38 AM
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But wait - Joe Banner himself said that this team was better than the team that went to the Super Bowl. So somehow Kearse is better at his "new 100%" now than he was in 04.
I am SO waiting for Reid to say "But there's no quit in this football team..."
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10/22/2007 11:49 AM
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You think these assholes are gonna change their mule mindset with a different QB?
That's the oddest thing of all. They DID change the mule mindset with Garcia back there, were successful, but now have reverted back to mule.
I can understand a mule that never tries something new, but after trying the balanced offense, seeing it work, then reverting back to passaholic, that's an animal dumber than a mule.
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f-dallas
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10/22/2007 11:52 AM
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Amazing to think that this team (minus a playmaking WR) was in the SuperBowl a couple of years ago.
The simple truth is McNabb is a diminished player and this offense needs a true #1 WR in order to operate at peak efficiency.
McNabb may be better next year, but before T.O. and after T.O., this offense has muddled through. They need another true playmaker on the offense.
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NotoriousEAG
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10/22/2007 11:53 AM
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The simple truth is that right now Jeff Garcia is a better QB than McNabb. Right Now.
I'm not just saying that to be a jerk either.
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bassiladelph
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10/22/2007 12:01 PM
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But that means nothing now.
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f-dallas
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10/22/2007 12:19 PM
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Garcia sucks, too.
He's managing games well down there, but he just lost a game all by himself against the fraudulent Lions yesterday and his QB rating was 110.
I'm not trashing Garcia, but his numbers and QB rating are a bit empty, too.
I will say that if Garcia was QBing the Eagles right now, they'd probably be 4-2, but that's more of a statement to how the Eagles would call the plays and the simple passes Garcia wouldn't screw up.
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Fred_Barnett
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10/22/2007 12:24 PM
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The simple truth is McNabb is a diminished player and this offense needs a true #1 WR in order to operate at peak efficiency.
I won't believe that until 736 tells me it's so.
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f-dallas
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I also think the offense would be fine if Reid didn't call the plays as if they had a #1 WR.
They proved last year that as a run-oriented offense, they could score on just about anyone.
They simply don't have WRs capable of consistently getting open when the D KNOWS it's coming.
It also doesn't help that McNabb can't hit the broad side of a barn right now.
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Dino727
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10/22/2007 12:41 PM
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Someone mentioned it earlier, but this single play call cost the Eagles the game:
2nd and 8 at PHI 44 (3:22) D.McNabb pass incomplete short left to R.Brown.
Had they just run the ball up the middle for no gain there they win.
Just mind numbingly stupid coaching/playcalling.
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f-dallas
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10/22/2007 12:48 PM
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Some numbers to consider:
1.The first half run/pass ration was 17 designed runs and 19 designed passes. Thye controlled the clock, led 9-3 at the half, and would have been up 13-3 if Reggie just held onto a slant (despite their struggles).
2. The second half run/pass ratio was 6 runs and 17 passes. They were outscored 16-7 in the half and the Bears dominated the clock.
Of the 6 whole runs they executed (with a lead the entire half and averaging 4.9 yards per rush at game's end), 3 of them were runs to open the drive (of their 4 second second half drives).
3. For the day, they opened 6 drives with runs and 2 drives with passes.
I mean, why is it so easy to see on paper that they are retarded with this pass fetish when they have this monster running game in their pocket?
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Fred_Barnett
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10/22/2007 12:48 PM
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I also think the offense would be fine if Reid didn't call the plays as if they had a #1 WR.
That's why I STILL believe they can win- just without Reid. He's done his best to build the O-line, now they need a coach who knows how to exploit that in RUNNING THE BALL, not pass protection.
Like I said before, I wouldn't be averse to see a little spit flying around on the Eagles sidelines next year (along with some fucking emotion as well)...
We (I'm the imaginary GM) can demote Reid to say... QB coach (especially since under the new regime, they throw the ball 10 times a game! Keep or trade McNobodyLikesMeAnymore- who cares?
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