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Dino727
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10/22/2007 12:50 PM
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I wonder if there has ever, in the history of the NFL, been a team that averaged 5 yards per carry that hasn't made the playoffs.
Because there is a good chance the Eagles will do just that.
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bassiladelph
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10/22/2007 12:51 PM
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I also think the offense would be fine if Reid didn't call the plays as if they had a #1 WR.
But that contradicts his whole philosophy of spreading the football around.
FB said in his NC that defenses are playing soft against them, which is why they haven't been able to gain many plays over 30 yards. Of course, teams play soft against the Pats, too, and you see how well that turns out.
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Dino727
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10/22/2007 12:51 PM
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McNobodyLikesMeAnymore
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bassiladelph
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10/22/2007 12:59 PM
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I mean, why is it so easy to see on paper that they are retarded with this pass fetish when they have this monster running game in their pocket?
All the signs are there; all the reasons are there to go with the running game:
- Success last year.
- Mammoth O-Line that has the best (if not one of the best) continuity in football.
- Two RBs, one of them the best weapon on the field.
- A QB that is recovering from a serious knee injury.
- A high (2nd in the league, last I checked) YPC.
- Injuries to McNabb's security blanket.
All the signs are there for him to switch to a run philosophy, but he doesn't. Which means
- He sees something we don't (fabricated or not)
- He would much rather lose his way
- He's setting up McNabb (hard to believe, but what else is there?)
And we haven't even gotten to the spanking part of the schedule.
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Jules_Jr
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10/22/2007 2:26 PM
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F-d,
Never know. This team is basically healthy and from everything I've read, the Eagles believe McNabb is personally stalling the offense.
Fd, I didn't see the game yesterday. But I do wonder if its all McNabb. I blame Reid for 85%, McNabb 5%, WRs 5%, ST 5%.
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Jules_Jr
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10/22/2007 2:26 PM
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PS, McNabb is CLEARLY not ready to be back.
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Seth in 736
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10/22/2007 2:27 PM
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Fred_Barnett
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The simple truth is McNabb is a diminished player and this offense needs a true #1 WR in order to operate at peak efficiency.
I won't believe that until 736 tells me it's so.
Smartening up I see.
It's so.
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Fred_Barnett
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10/22/2007 2:35 PM
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The simple truth is McNabb is a diminished player and this offense needs a true #1 WR in order to operate at peak efficiency.
I won't believe that until 736 tells me it's so.
Smartening up I see.
It's so.
NOW THAT'S EFFIN FUNNY
you're kidding I hope
either way, it's still funny
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Seth in 736
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10/22/2007 3:17 PM
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No, I wasnt kidding-
But fear not, i know you were.
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Fred_Barnett
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10/22/2007 3:28 PM
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On a slightly different note- what do you think the result would be if a coalition of Eagles fans were to grab their picket signs and "go on strike" outside "Gold Standard Central" until Fat Andy starts running the freakin ball? Could it work? Cause I have (had) a dream.
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Jules_Jr
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10/22/2007 3:58 PM
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uh...probably nothing?
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Fred_Barnett
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10/22/2007 4:11 PM
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Well... it worked in my dream, anyways
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bassiladelph
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10/22/2007 4:16 PM
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Do you work in your dreams, too?
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10/22/2007 4:18 PM
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ummmmmm......
THEY STINK!!!!
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10/22/2007 4:31 PM
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Fd, I didn't see the game yesterday. But I do wonder if its all McNabb. I blame Reid for 85%, McNabb 5%, WRs 5%, ST 5%.
Jules I saw the game and not only that was there and came to a realization (other than they stink) McNabb is playing scared... The WR's aren't as bad as they looked on TV, the reason I say that is there were many chances for #5 to throw deep to open WR's and he never looked more then 10 yards down field... I really think the Giants got into his head and I think he just doesn't trust the O-line to keep pressure off him so he gets the ball in his hands and almost immediately goes to the check down... When was the last time he threw the ball further than 10-15 yards, Curtis 75 yarder was a little 10yrd htich he took to the house...
I was shaking my head through the whole game, he is scared... I said it during the Giants game and now I think it's obvious Reid should have taken #5 out of the game... He still isn't 100% and now he has IMO doubts about his O-line's ability to protect him...
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10/22/2007 4:37 PM
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did anyone notice that the defense allowed a Brian Griese lead team to score a game winning 97 yards TD drive, with no timeouts and a buck 50 on the clock....?
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Jules_Jr
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10/22/2007 5:52 PM
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(insert inarticulate scream here)
Reid = too inflexible to not change the repeated errors that have haunted his teams from day 1. He's been here for 9 years. Little change. A complete aversion to marquee WRs. A hatred of running the ball despite the biggest Oline in the league.
McNabb = up and down...inconsistent. This last injury seems to have genuinely compromised him. Also hampered by his fear of "The Label". Can't imagine how things could have played out if he decided to let his talent speak.
JJ = over-reliance on undersized Dline and overly in love with the blitz.
What-the eff-ever!
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OxfordEagle
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10/22/2007 9:48 PM
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The prevent defense lost a won game. It's not the first time for the Eagles.
I agree that McNabb is the source of the offensive problems, but not because he can't throw. I just think that he is no longer a threat to run it in the end zone, and that makes a big difference in the coverage. I don't think he is scared to throw deep. I think the Bears took the deep ball away and gave the underneath. Even on the long field, McNabb's inability to scramble out of pressure is hurting just enough. Defenses don't have to be as honest when they rush the quarterback, receivers don't have as long to get open, and if McNabb does run, it won't be for as big a gain. Plus it hurts his confidence knowing he can't just throw someone off and make a play.
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10/22/2007 10:02 PM
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The one thing I love about the level is the seriousness with which one puts towards rationalizing what is obviously a effin failure to plan.....
The absolute problem with the Iggs is when I can sit there beer in one hand remote in the other and call the effin offense...
If I can do that with a buzz going... Imagine what a sober experienced defensive coordinator can do!!!
This team is too damn predictable on offense..
No balls... Reid has no balls to take a gamble... I mean lay it on the line.. Do something creative like an onsides kick to start the damn game... Oh wait a minute they did that a couple of years ago against Dallas and the Cokeboyz spent the rest of the day guessing and we smoked em!
How about going back to the damn film room and watching what the eff worked for you in previous years... Oh wait a minute that would require an upgrade at wide receiver...
How about using some of the no names?? Hunt?? Celek??
I know get the eff back in the box!
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f-dallas
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Celek is just a very average player with no speed. That's my opinion. He may be a nice #2 TE with solid hands, but he's clearly not very big or explosive. His shiftiness in the pre-season was impressive, but seeing him run next to real live football players brings reality back into focus.
Hunt? What can I say about him that I haven't already said. He's a talentless battering ram. No speed. No quickness. No shiftiness. He seems to be doing a fantastic job on 3rd and short and I think that's the only role he can ever realistically have. If they can really use him in that role exclusively, that's great...I just think it's a terribly high price to pay for that guy when a guy like Najeh Davenport is also available for $1 million per and doesn't cost you a 3rd round pick.
Hunt isn't the problem, but if you're going to take a running back in the third round, it should be a guy with a high ceiling or at least potential...not a guy who was a clear "college back" with no chance to be a feature runner at the next level. Hell...if you're only going to use him for 15 snaps this year, why not take Michael Bush (who would have been my choice)? He's still recovering from his injuries, but he's bigger and better than Hunt in every way imaginable.
That was just a rant, but as I watch this team suck and show no playmaking ability/athleticism (as always), I just look at the draft and seethe.
8 picks this year and 3 are already off the team. Of the 5 remaining, they've been mostly inactive and haven't contributed at all.
Of the last 2 drafts, they have 2 starters out of 16 players acquired (Gocong and Bunkley). Neither played in their rookie seasons and were given starting jobs this year. Gocong has been solid...not great, but not noticeably bad. Bunkley has done a good job, but still...he has the fewest tackles of any starter on the team not named Kearse and both of his sacks came in the same game.
The 2005 draft was pretty remarkable in the fact that it produced 5 current starters. However, those 5 starters have played a great deal over the last 3 years and since they entered the league, the Eagles are 18-20. Does that mean it was a good draft or make it an average one? After all, drafting 5 starters is only a good thing if they are good players...not just cardboard cutouts who are starting and losing because you're other shitty drafts haven't panned out.
I don't know the whole problem, but lack of playmakers seems to be a big one. When you're biggest playmaker at WR is a career #3 from the Rams, maybe you should start aiming a little on the measurables come draft time?
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Fred_Barnett
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10/23/2007 9:42 AM
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I don't know the whole problem, but lack of playmakers seems to be a big one
Been saying it for years- glad you people finally have seen the light.
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Dino727
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10/23/2007 9:45 AM
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"you people"??
hehe
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Fred_Barnett
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yup- for the purpose of this discussion we'll just call them "736ers"
calm down Seth- I'M JUST KIDDING
(pre-emptive pacifier)
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f-dallas
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10/23/2007 10:02 AM
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Been saying it for years- glad you people finally have seen the light.
Who has said "this team has a plethora of electric playmakers" during the entire Reid era?
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Fred_Barnett
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10/23/2007 10:04 AM
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Who has said "this team has a plethora of electric playmakers" during the entire Reid era?
Did I say someone said that?
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