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PhiEagles23
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11/5/2007 12:27 PM
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FAILURES (not in any particular order):
1) Matt McCoy. You cut a 2nd-round pick because your talent evaluation was just THAT BAD.
2) Sean Considine. Here's a guy touted as the next big thing in the secondary, except really, he's the next little thing to get run over by every back in the league.
3) Darren Howard. Ridiculous waste of money. You should be able to tell the guys who are out for one more big contract from the guys that are hungry for a championship.
4) Jevon Kearse. Still living off his ridiculous rookie year with the Titans. Has had one good game with the Eagles (vs. Vick in the '04 NFC Championship Game), where he didn't really even play as a true DE. Extremely overpaid.
5) Freddie Mitchell. Belichek: "He's terrible, and you can print that." The pain here is somewhat dulled by the persona, the hands, 4th and 26, and the 14-second play back when the Eagles were somewhat better than Dallas.
6) Letting Trotter go to Washington. What if he'd been in the middle instead of Levon Kirkland? Does Jurevicious still make the 73-yard catch-and-run?
7) The 70/30 or 60/40 pass/run ratio. This might have worked back when no one could catch McNabb and he was willing to run. Now it's a suicide pact between the coach and QB.
8) Barry Gardner. Another cut 2nd-round pick.
9) Quinton Caver. Yet another cut 2nd-round pick. I begin to shudder at the talent that the Eagles have passed over.
10) Failure to re-sign Derrick Burgess. Imagine the D-Line: Cole/Bunkley/Patterson/Burgess. What kills me is that the money "saved" on this and #6...is that it instead went to Howard and Kearse.
11) Jerome McDougle. Undersized, undermotivated, from an overrated college program. Huge waste of money.
12) Billy McMullen. Maybe this is Childress' doing, but Reid's the boss, so he still takes the hit. Waste of a 3rd-round pick.
13) Letting Stallworth go. Imagine being able to have Curtis in the slot where he belongs, and letting Brown flourish in a true #2 role.
14) Bad games:
a) Vet closer.
b) Linc opener.
c) Playoff loss vs. Carolina, 2003.
d) Super Bowl 2004 2nd half.
e) November 10, 2002. Manning and a no-name RB smoke the Eagles at home 35-13.
f) December 5, 2005. SB-bound Seahawks stomp Eagles 42-0.
g) All games including Mike MacMahon.
h) October 7, 2001. 20-21 vs. Cardinals. Eagles up 20-3 at halftime. Jake the Snake bites them again.
SUCCESSES (again, no particular order):
1) Patterson and Bunkley. Took a little time to grow 'em up, but these are two solid DTs.
2) The first three rounds of the 2002 draft. Sheppard/Lewis/Brown/Westbrook.
3) The Hugh Douglas trade w/ NYJ.
4) Trent Cole (in the 5th round, what a steal).
5) Corey Simon--good draft pick that was released at the right time. Sacked Troy Aikman on his first-ever pro play.
6) Great games:
a) New Year's Eve 2000: 21-3 vs. Bucs, including the Hugh Douglas sack of Shaun King and the just-before-half one-time-ever sighting of Na Brown.
b) 30 December 2001: 24-21 vs. Giants, including Damon Moore chasing down Ron Dixon on the hook-and-lateral last-play heartstopper.
c) Opening Day 2000: 41-14 vs. Cowboys, opening the game with an onside kick and never looking back.
d) 27 Jan 2001: 24-29 loss to Rams. Birds played hard but were overwhelmed by Marshall Faulk. This game dripped of greatness to come.
e) 11 Jan 2003: 20-17 OT vs. Packers. One of McNabb's virtuoso performances.
f) 19 Jan 2001: 33-19 vs. Bears.
g) November 2000: Two OT FG wins in an undefeated month.
h) The Jeff Garcia win streak.
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NotoriousEAG
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11/5/2007 12:38 PM
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Ray Rhodes brought Hugh Douglas in.
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SeeZakRun
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11/5/2007 12:43 PM
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Do other people feel like Patterson is a "solid DT"?
I can't say I notice him do too much of anything, good or bad. He's just sort of there.
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EagleNY
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11/5/2007 12:59 PM
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Reid benefitted from beginning his tenure at the end of the Dallas/SF/Green Bay era of dominance. His prime, so to pseak, came at a time that some traditional powers were going through a transitional period or some downright bad years. He translated that into a somewhat sustained period of success that never ultimately reached the top, despite repeated opportunities.
Now in the "twilight" of his coaching career, the traditional powers (well, a few of 'em) are coming back up, the division is no longer watered down, and he's been unable to adjust.
Probably reads the same as a million other athletes/coaches' career paths.
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bassiladelph
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11/5/2007 1:18 PM
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Patterson's name not being called makes me thinks he's solid. They've been able to stop the run this year, and he's got 40 tackles.
To me, it's more of "he's doing his job" if Patterson's name isn't being called than "where IS this guy" when Jevon Kearse's name isn't being called.
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PhiEagles23
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11/5/2007 2:21 PM
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NEAG, thanks for the correction. The SUCCESSES list shrinks.
If Reid is curious as to why everyone wants him gone, I think these lists demonstrate it. EagleNY pointed out something I agree with as well--Reid was successful when the NFC East was bad (and struggled versus the only other halfway-capable team, the Giants), and now that the division has turned around, he's dead last.
I was wondering if anyone had anything to add or subtract from either list. Also, I purposely left McNabb off either list because I'm undecided about him. On one hand, he's certainly not who he was in 2000. On the other, he could have 6-8 more years of good or great football in him (see: Garcia), and I'd hate to see him have those years with Chicago or Minnesota.
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NotoriousEAG
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11/5/2007 2:28 PM
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McNabb would have to be considered a success. I meean, the guy has started for 8 years
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Dino727
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11/5/2007 2:30 PM
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Agree. Especially looking at the other QBs from that draft, McNabb goes in the success column.
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bassiladelph
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11/5/2007 2:36 PM
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Another success you can't discount - letting guys go that pretty much couldn't play anymore.
Hugh was done when he went to Jacksonville, and Vincent/Taylor/Staley were on their last legs and didn't contribute elsewhere. Even Stinky's not playing anymore - he's delivering pizzas in the far right lane, since he won't travel to the middle of the road.
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SeeZakRun
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11/5/2007 2:37 PM
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The tiny minority of people who would even consider the notion that McNabb is not a success probably all live in Philly. K,P, and L.
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Jules_Jr
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11/5/2007 2:40 PM
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Wasted picks:
Na Brown - some late rounder
Gari Scott 3rd rounder
Quinten Caver 2nd rounder
Barry Gardner 2nd rounder
Jeremy Bloom 5 or 6th. I figure you could at least figure out who can return punts.
FA's failures outside of Kearse and Howard:
* Blaine Bishop - total waste.
* Levon Blobland - Reid got rid of him cuz he kept crushing the burger buffet at his favorite eatery. Consider the amount of turnover at LB and that tells you how bad Reid has been at solidifying this position.
* Antonio Freeman - near useless but still better than the crop of crap he had trotted out till then.
Darnell fuckin' Autry, Chris Warren and all the other trash paraded as backups to Duce.
Getting rid of Duce too early. He was still good for two more years.
Letting go of Sean Barber too early. Good one year rental that should have been kept.
Successes:
Only real success - 2002. Great draft class overall.
FA: TO. Broke team records and had a world class performance in the SB. Too bad he broke McNabb's heart.
Jon Runyan. Great fuckin' pick up. Treated like trash in this past FA, but he's been the steadiest part of this line for nearly a decade.
Crappiest game called by Reid:
NFC Championship game 2003 vs Bucs.
Besides that, Reid was always suited to calling at least 3 inordinately, inexplicably crappy season games and usually the NFC Championship game or SB.
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Jules_Jr
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11/5/2007 2:41 PM
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If he picked up Maurice Clarrett, I'd have to say it'd be beyond a shadow of doubt that Reid is crazy.
PS, Crappiest call EVER by Reid....trying the onside kick against Parcells and thinking Campo was on the opposing side line.
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bassiladelph
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11/5/2007 2:44 PM
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Crappiest call EVER by Reid
The 5:00 hurry-up? The onside kick at the Super Bowl? not going for a QB sneak in San Francisco?
There's others I would put up there before that one.
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bassiladelph
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11/5/2007 2:46 PM
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Also, another Reid failure - allowing McNabb to look like Betty Crocker on the sidelines. Looked like he was cooking up a big pot of Campbell's soup in-between picks.
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Jules_Jr
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11/5/2007 2:46 PM
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Those were a series of calls, Bass. Not a single call.
Either way, I blame McNabb for getting wasted and being dehydrated late in the SB accounting for that stupid sequence and I don't remember the Frisco game well enough.
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SeeZakRun
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11/5/2007 2:50 PM
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Crappiest calls by Reid are too many to list, but over his career it's the stupefying play selection on 2nd/3rd/4th down and short yardage to go.
Example: The playaction pass to LJ Smith against the Bucs on 4th and goal on the 2 inch line when all you had to do was sneak.
A cluster of these sorts of plays is what I get angry at the most.
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SeeZakRun
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11/5/2007 2:51 PM
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In other words, run the ball you donkey!
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bassiladelph
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11/5/2007 2:52 PM
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They had like 1st and goal at the 1 in 2001 (I think) and had like 5-6 different tries for the end zone. Not ONCE did they call a QB sneak. And it's not as if the runs drove them back - just the equivalent of banging your head on a wall.
The first signs of Reid outsmarting himself.
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bassiladelph
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11/5/2007 2:54 PM
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That PA pass was a fake FG, Zak. Still counts, though.
If anything, that call bolstered the Bucs, because they felt like the Eagles had so little that they had to rely on trickery, and the ass-whooping commenced.
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NotoriousEAG
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11/5/2007 2:54 PM
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Wasn't that a fake FG Zak?
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SeeZakRun
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11/5/2007 3:01 PM
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Now I'm all confused. I was thinking of the '06 game at the end of the first half...
Maybe I'm wrong. Either way, Reid stinks at short yardage situations.
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Dino727
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11/5/2007 3:04 PM
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Worst call ever by Reid? How about the punt at the end of the Saints playoff game last year.
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NotoriousEAG
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11/5/2007 3:05 PM
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Agree with Dino.
Zak, Bass and I were referring to the Opener at the Linc (which has the shittiest field in the league BTW)
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bassiladelph
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11/5/2007 3:06 PM
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That was the right call, according to Mike Quick.
That call, btw, was brought to you by Kotex.
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bassiladelph
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11/5/2007 3:06 PM
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Posting to Dino. Gotta be quicker.
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