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First, I like Collinsworth for the most part. I'm not agreeing with him or disagreeing with him right now...just going with my own opinion.

I don't believe in "scoring too fast". This isn't a matter of "scoring too fast". If you look at the play call there, it was the wrong decision across the board. The only way that call was the right one is if it somehow worked out because he was essentially throwing out every rule in the book.

They were carving up the hashes the entire game. They have the best screen back in the business, they need about 4 yards for a fresh set of downs, they need about 5 yards for a no-doubt-about-it game tying field goal, and they have the best offense in the league waiting on the other sideline.

I'm fine playing for the TD, but throwing it where they did and when they did was a massive, massive mistake.

They were already in scoring position, so yes.

YOu assholes act like they could score at will, and it was only a matter of time when, not if.

As Zak said, yeah. They were already in a makeable FG position (closer would have been better), but they essentially rolled the dice on two birds in the bush on second and short.

Plus, they were destroying the Pats defense all game.

Was no chip shot. That Polski missed on earlier from way closer and the turf was for shit.

If Curtis doesn't stutter in his turn or the ball is a few inches in the Eagles favor, it's a TD. And even if it works out to be an incomplete, I'm still fine with that.

The only problem was that it was a throw that wasn't smart. The coverage was playing deep and there was NO way Curtis could've caught up to it and made it a catch.

Is the call itself a bad call? Probably not.
Was the throw a bad throw? Absolutely.

NFL.com replay highlights. Got to the 3:30 mark.

Okay, my memory was worse than I thought. That was a lousy throw. And there was no run call - it was all pass on that one...I must have been thinking of a play before that one.

You can see the Patriots move a bunch of guys behind the line right before the snap, bringing in extra blitzers. Feeley has nothing on the left so he looks right. The TE route pulls the LB out of deep coverage. Curtis is the only play, and he just overthrows him. The ball seems to snap up a bit as it leaves Feeley's hand, but that might be giving him too much credit.

Still, it wasn't a terrible decision. That was the man to throw to. The bad call was looking for end zone instead of looking for an almost guaranteed catch at the 7-10 yard line for a huge first down.

Was no chip shot. That Polski missed on earlier from way closer and the turf was for shit.

Right...it was no chip shot. All the more reason to keep driving as opposed to going all in.

They had a 2nd and 4 with plenty of time and were in the range where an NFL kicker should easily drill it, but it's no chip shot. Why not take two stabs at a first down, give yourself a fresh set of downs, a chance the milk the clock a little further, and get your kicker in a better spot?

Agreed with NEAG - kicking was crap, even worse if you don't have much confidence in Akers anymore.

They were killing the Pats on the deep ins. Even when they dropped back 7, they still couldn't stop the middle passes. And didn't that drive start from the 9?

All they needed was 4 yards. That's basically my point.

They could have done that. But people act like even if Curtis caught it, thay would be a bad thing b/c they "left too much time".

I'm right there with you NEAG. The clock means nothing against the Patriots, and a tie is probably a loss.

I don't want to detract from discussion over the replay. Proceed.

What is greater? The chance that Akers misses a 45 yd FG or the chance that the Pats score a TD with 4 minutes left and 3 timeouts.

They could have done that. But people act like even if Curtis caught it, thay would be a bad thing b/c they "left too much time".

I think the thought process is essentially this:

- Going deep there was foolish for about 5 critical reasons (not the least of which being Samuel standing in the end zone 10 yards deeper than Curtis waiting for it).

- The best possible scenario for the Eagles was a 4 point lead with over 3 minutes remaining and Tom Brady on the other side of the ball with 2 timeouts.

Given that scenario, they might as well have knelt down and just shook hands early.

Poorly phrased, ignore my last post.

What is greater? The chance that Akers misses a 45 yd FG or the chance that the Pats score a TD with 4 minutes left and 3 timeouts.

Do I have a lifeline?

Look, you would have alead with 4 minutes to go. If the Pats score a TD, bully for them.

Did anyone alert Dean-o last night when JJ went to a 3-4 defense?

Hulk, NTF, I was thinking the same thing.

What is greater? The chance that Akers misses a 45 yd FG or the chance that the Pats score a TD with 4 minutes left and 3 timeouts.

But you're not really betting on that. You're betting on Akers making that field goal to TIE, then the Patriots not scoring AT ALL. Even a field goal.

You can't play with a goal of tying the game and going to OT when there are four minutes left.

f-d usually I agree with a lot of what you say but there are two things you've said that trouble me, the first and biggest is that you like Collinsworth... the man is a dueche bag he has little knowledge and always seems to be talking down to everyone, there's a good reason he changes networks just about every year nobody likes him or can stand working with him the pre/post game show with him and Oberman are the worst and least entertaining things on TV, I'd rather watch Deon Sanders talk about himself than watch them...

The second thing is your reasoning for question the call to throw the ball, granted AJ made the wrong read and a BAD throw (as I said in the other thread there was a guy wide open in the flat on the same side of the field that could have caught the ball and fallen down and had the 1st down) The fact remains the Eagles got to where they were in that game by taking chances and being aggressive, you can't have it both ways Reid went all out and was going for the win with that call. IF they'd scored then the Pats would've had to go down the field and score a TD a FG would have done nothing...

For once Reid not only called an aggressive game but he stuck with it to the end, IMO if you're going to lay blame it's on Feeley for the bad/wrong throw not on Reid for the playcall...

Look, you would have alead with 4 minutes to go. If the Pats score a TD, bully for them.

If that was your only choice, sure. Fact is they had a lot of options and going deep represented the worst of them all.

Curtis isn't a deep ball guy.

Samuel is their best cover player/big play guy.

Down/Distance was favorable.

Deep pass raises the chances of a sack that would take them out of field goal range.

Sack would have made a 2nd and 4 a 3rd and 12.

4 yards gets you a fresh set of downs.

The clock is your enemy there with the league's best offense on the other side of the field.

It was just a dumb call because the best possible outcome is an unlikely TD on their best cover man and there are about 20 potentially bad outcomes. That's all I'm saying here.

Beautifully illustrated, f-d.

- The best possible scenario for the Eagles was a 4 point lead with over 3 minutes remaining and Tom Brady on the other side of the ball with 2 timeouts.

Am I wrong, or did the Partiots offense only score two of their team's four TDs last night? And did they put up 50 points as usual?

The Eagles defense was actually making stops. No one wants to bet against the Patriots on a final drive for the win, but they also weren't running roughshod over their opponent like they did in their last 10 games, either.

The Eagles D was blindside blitzing Brady worse than he has seen all year. They also dropped several interception chances.

I'll take the lead and the Eagles D over a possible-at-best tie and a fresh OT period.

You can't play with a goal of tying the game and going to OT when there are four minutes left.

Yeah, I tried to amend my post but I was too late.

If they got the four yards like they should have, then run 3 more downs, the game would be AT LEAST tied with much less time on the clock.

OK. It just seemed that people wanted things too perfect, like scoring the TD as the gun sounded. You cannot plan things that perfectly.

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