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Of course, if Samuel holds on to that out he jumped on, this conversation is moot.

IMO if you're going to lay blame it's on Feeley for the bad/wrong throw not on Reid for the playcall...

Complete agreement there, Tat. Not only that, but Curtis actually was open and Feeley actually noticed. That was a first down opportunity marred by an overthrow.

Am I wrong, or did the Partiots offense only score two of their team's four TDs last night?

You're wrong

Jerobi, you're answering the question as though there were two options: Kicking the FG for overtime and throwing a 30 yard bomb on Samuel.

What would have been wrong with taking two shots at high percentage passes in the middle of the field that could get them a fresh set of downs, put Akers in a better position to tie, and give your team a better chance to not only score a TD, but take time from the Patriots?

The longer the pass, the higher the chance something can go wrong and the result of the play actually enforces my thought process, right?

OK. It just seemed that people wanted things too perfect, like scoring the TD as the gun sounded. You cannot plan things that perfectly.

No, if that's the way it was coming off that's certainly not what I was trying to say.

To me, there were just a ton of pluses for keeping the drive going and too much needless risk in going for it all on one throw from your backup QB to a short WR on their big play corner.

Fair enough.

I wonder what the over under on amount of people taking off after last night's "tough loss"

The longer the pass, the higher the chance something can go wrong and the result of the play actually enforces my thought process, right?

f-d I agree with you on that point, I misunderstood what you were saying, I thought you were saying the play called was a bad one... I just watched the clip that's posted on the previous page, the guy I mentioned tha was wide open wasn't in the flat, it was LJ coming across the middle, very open he catches the pass he gets inside the 20...

it's all a moot point but at least I can put my order for the robes on hold, at least until I see how Reid handles this week and the playcalling against the Seahawks... I may even go out and buy some more kool-aide...

Okay, I'll give you that. But who knows what the play sent in was designed for?

At the snap I count eight men in the box. If it was a called run play and they ran it, that's a bad decision by Feeley to let the play proceed. Westbrook has no choice but to stay in and block, saving what looks to me like a sure sack.

The two WRs on the left get blanketed immediately and Feeley didn't throw at them. Good. The TE chips his man and runs a two yard pattern, perhaps initially designed to get Westbrook open if he didn't have to stay in to block.

The TE pulls off the LB help and Curtis is open. They were doing that all day and it was working. Feeley just overthrew it.

I'll take the lead and the Eagles D over a possible-at-best tie and a fresh OT period.


Wrong. It was a possible-at-WORST tie. No one is saying don't go for the TD, just not at that time, or in that way.

I wonder what the over under on amount of people taking off after last night's "tough loss"

After last night? Nah...this is a moral victory for most people.

After the Dallas game? Regional Holiday.

That one drained some green blood and bruised some passion, I'm sure.

Ditto to Tat. The TE was also open, but I doubt they expected him to be that way with eight in the box at the snap. LJ was also behind the first down marker, a chronic issue on this team.

LJ was open for a likely first down but not much else. Curtis was open for a first down at the 7 or 10 yard line. It's a good play call that was interrupted by a good blitz but still could have worked.

At the snap I count eight men in the box. If it was a called run play and they ran it, that's a bad decision by Feeley to let the play proceed. Westbrook has no choice but to stay in and block, saving what looks to me like a sure sack.

The two WRs on the left get blanketed immediately and Feeley didn't throw at them. Good. The TE chips his man and runs a two yard pattern, perhaps initially designed to get Westbrook open if he didn't have to stay in to block.

The TE pulls off the LB help and Curtis is open. They were doing that all day and it was working. Feeley just overthrew it.

Feeley didn't just overthrow it..Curtis tried to double move Samuel, he saw it coming 3 miles away, and he ran the route better than Curtis did. Feeley had no chance at completing the pass unless he severely underthrew it.

The problem might not have been the actual playcall, but the point (to me) is that was the worst possible thing they could have done. If you want to say it was all on Feeley, by all means. I still think that with your backup QB, you might have to be a bit more careful with the option routes on the outside and make sure he was sticking to safer stuff there.

Speaking of the Cowboys game: Why was the defense able to stifle both Stallworth and Moss most of the night but T.O ran free in that game?

T.O. is a better receiver than Moss, that's why

I still think that with your backup QB, you might have to be a bit more careful with the option routes on the outside and make sure he was sticking to safer stuff there.

Yeah, but being safe didn't get them that deep into the game. What even got them into a respectable defeat was 3-4 defenses, onside kickoffs, flea flicker and other gadget plays, etc etc. Feeley was tossing absolute bullets and threading needling all game long, especially on his TD passes.

If Curtis was sent to the end zone on that route, I'll agree with you that it was a lousy call. If Curtis was sent to do another deep in curl, it was a good call. Something just broke in the translation. I think at that point it wasn't a bad play call.

This was my response above (the first part was Jerobi's and was supposed to be quoted).

Feeley didn't just overthrow it..Curtis tried to double move Samuel, he saw it coming 3 miles away, and he ran the route better than Curtis did. Feeley had no chance at completing the pass unless he severely underthrew it.

The problem might not have been the actual playcall, but the point (to me) is that was the worst possible thing they could have done. If you want to say it was all on Feeley, by all means. I still think that with your backup QB, you might have to be a bit more careful with the option routes on the outside and make sure he was sticking to safer stuff there.

Yeah, but being safe didn't get them that deep into the game. What even got them into a respectable defeat was 3-4 defenses, onside kickoffs, flea flicker and other gadget plays, etc etc. Feeley was tossing absolute bullets and threading needling all game long, especially on his TD passes.

I understand the thought process (they basically used everything but the kitchen sink to get there), but just disagree with any thought of going for the endzone there short of a corner falling down.

If Curtis was sent to the end zone on that route, I'll agree with you that it was a lousy call. If Curtis was sent to do another deep in curl, it was a good call. Something just broke in the translation. I think at that point it wasn't a bad play call.

It was a double move they were trying to catch the patriots on. My guess is the design of the play was "If Samuel bites, go for it all. If he hangs back, throw it underneath or throw it out of bounds". Samuel read it perfectly and AJ blew it.

My point is why point the game on AJ right there when you didn't have to? LJ was killing the Pats in the middle. Westbrook is right there for a screen, swing, or the underneath stuff on Say-old.

They were too aggressive in a spot where they didn't need to be and they made another in a series of critical mistakes.

At that point in the game, the Eagles had the patriots on their heals. They had the ball, favorable field position, favorable down/distance, and were knifing through the Pats D. They did the Patriots a favor with that play, IMO.

Westbrook is right there for a screen, swing, or the underneath stuff on Say-old.

Granpa Strohmann was keeping up with Westbrook over the middle, which shocked me to no end.

Speaking of the Cowboys game: Why was the defense able to stifle both Stallworth and Moss most of the night but T.O ran free in that game?

Because McNabb wasn't playing?

Granpa Strohmann was keeping up with Westbrook over the middle, which shocked me to no end.

HGH

My point is why point the game on AJ right there when you didn't have to? LJ was killing the Pats in the middle. Westbrook is right there for a screen, swing, or the underneath stuff on Say-old.

They were too aggressive in a spot where they didn't need to be and they made another in a series of critical mistakes.

I guess I don't get how was that play overly aggressive. If you're looking for work for LJ over the middle, he was right there for five or so yards. Westbrook was a nonfactor on that play any way you slice it since he did the smart thing and stuck in to block a free blitzer.

It could very well have been called in from the sidelines as a middle pass to Westbrook with LJ there as a blocker. The defensive shifts and blitz changed that, and the Eagles did a pretty good job of making the adjustment to protect the QB. Even if that was an audible, the pass was available to two open guys in LJ and Curtis.

Like we've agreed on, blame Feeley for the overthrow if you need someone to blame. But I don't see how you blame the coaches on this. Regardless of your call from the sideline, the offense had to adjust to the new pressure and I think they actually did an admirable job doing so.

Sorry if I'm only repeating myself, but I don't think you can really build a clear path back to blame the coaches on that play.

because someone gave Jim Johnson a red bull to keep him awake during this game... it's simple they tried not to lose that game, not play to win, I don't think TO was jammed once at the line of scrimmage. They played off all day and he beat them like they owed him money... TO said in a pregame int with one of the talking heads that Brown is the tougher of the two DB's for him to play against because he is physical and jams him whereas Lito plays off in attempt to jump a route and make a big play... to me that was TO letting the world know how to beat him, the same way Moss beats people let him run free and he'll catch balls all day, jam them get them out of the pattern and they lose interest they had Moss out of that game by halftime he stopped trying IMO...

that play call regarding the pick in the end zone was not smart at that time. agree w/FD, too much to lose and not enough to gain in that spot. regarding LJ on that play, if memory serves me, he did not even appear to be looking for the ball. that play was designed to be deep and nothing else.

he was slap, if you've got time watch the clip posted on the previous page he was open and looking right at AJ...

Very disappointed in the loss. that being said:

-The eagles can beat ANY team in the NFC if they play at that level
-They may have found something in Gocong as a 3rd down rusher
-Im a 5 guy. But Feeley excelled in the areas that 5 doesn't. Like Garcia, he is very accurate from 5-25 yard and can actually throw a slant. In this offense, he is clearly the better option.
-That first interception was more on Buck's shoulders than anything. He completely missed the block and didnt allow feely to get anything behind the throw. The guy is just awful at pass protection
-JR Reed was my biggest concern going into the game and turned out to be a huge asset. the hit he laid on Moss took him out of the game.
-Dawk is not the same player, not even close. he is D-O-N-E.
-Win or Loss, the eagles made a big statement to the league last night and their performance and preparation is something to be proud of as a fan
-They can win out....without a doubt.

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