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11/26/2007 2:57 PM
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But will they?
No, not even close.
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Snake
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11/26/2007 3:59 PM
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Speaking of the Cowboys game: Why was the defense able to stifle both Stallworth and Moss most of the night but T.O ran free in that game?
Because Lito and Sheldon were jamming them both HARD off the line all night. T.O is the hardest receiver in the league to jam at the line.
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11/26/2007 4:47 PM
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Thats just it Snake they didnt try to jam AT ALL during that game. He was getting free release off the line and running untouched all over.
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11/26/2007 5:51 PM
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wouldn't it make sense to jam the receiver every single play? am i missing something? Is it because you are afraid of being burnt deep? It seems to me that if you don't jam them they can then get a full head of steam for the long ball anyway.
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sarge
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11/26/2007 6:13 PM
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It's the possibility of missing the jam, or not getting an effective one. This leaves the WR wide open.
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OxfordEagle
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11/27/2007 1:43 AM
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About the losing interception, Feeley said after the game in a press conference that he was throwing the ball away and it didn't go far enough to be out of bounds. I think that pretty much takes the bad play-calling aspect out of the discussion. No one was open and he was attempting to throw the ball away.
On T.O. getting open, a big difference is that T.O was killing us over the middle, as was the tight end, whereas Moss was going for the deep balls. In the Patriots game, Welker did pretty well.
On the season progressing from here, I don't necessarily see this game being replicated. For one thing, the Patriots played 4 receivers the entire first half, and never ran the ball.
If McNabb gets healthy, I don't see him having a good game, especially if he gets healthy just before the game and doesn't practice. Feeley is better at spotting the coverage and getting rid of the ball on-time, and McNabb has a tendency to throw off-balls until he finally gets warmed up. Looking back on this season, has McNabb shown any ability to be "on" his game?
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11/27/2007 2:51 AM
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Just a question for anyone who has coached before. If you're committed to double coverage on a particular receiver, why not jam him with a safety at the line and then use the corner deep to pick him up if he beats the jam? As long as the safety is fast enough to recover, I would think it must work better then conceding that you won't jam at all.
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11/27/2007 6:45 AM
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Because your Saftey also has run responsibilities. If you have Dawkins on the LoS jamming the WR, that leaves Lito back to pick up the RB if he gets through to the 2nd level.
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11/27/2007 5:19 PM
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Been out of town for a week and was talking to a very conntected HC in the NFL who knows Reid/Bellechek among others.
He said that Reid is actually a fairly good coach and that he liked him well enough. I was surprised by that. His BIGGEST criticism was that no matter how athletically gifted McNabb was, he just couldn't read defenses.
I'm not sure I agree with all that he said, but was just surprised. Lots of other interesting tidbits but I can't disclose the source....I know its wrong of me even to mention it, but I felt the McNabb thing wasn't too implicating.
Proud of the Birds.
Does anyone have the game recorded? Would love a copy.
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bassiladelph
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11/27/2007 7:36 PM
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Jules,
If no one else did a DVR, I've got a VCR copy.
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OxfordEagle
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11/27/2007 9:56 PM
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I've gotta believe this game winds up on NFL Replay this week.
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11/28/2007 8:48 AM
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His BIGGEST criticism was that no matter how athletically gifted McNabb was, he just couldn't read defenses.
That wouldn't surprise me. Maybe what we see as inaccurate and erratic throws are a result of McNabb being unable to process information quickly enough. We aren't close enough to the situtation to know, and God knows if it is the truth, Reid would never let on.
We all know that McNabb is no Wonderlich scholar (for whatever that is worth).
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Seth in 736
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11/28/2007 9:24 AM
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Jules Jr- I certainly respect not givin up a source, but I would be very interested in the other 'tid bits' as you called em, that this HC shared with you- so long as it didnt compromise his anonymity.
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Dean-o
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11/28/2007 9:41 AM
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No new revelation, ... Parcells knew McNabb couldn't read a defense from the time he employed "cover zero". (How many years ago has that been?)
I'd still trade his sorry fat ass for Devon Hester even up. (Three 1st round draft picks, ... right, I wouldn't give three warm six packs for this racist mommy boy.)
Oh, and EFF Wilma too! As a season ticket holder I'll NEVER go watch the Eagles until his sorry ass is gone.
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Dean-o
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11/28/2007 9:49 AM
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Yea', ... THAT'S how I really feel. And to think that I drafted this LAME, injury proned fuck in the 2nd round of my FFL? After my 1st round bust L. Tomlinson? (And I wasn't even drinking?)
Oh, ... (in my mind's eye), with the season that Tomlinson is reeling in, it's a strong case for what I've been arguing for years, ... Tomlinson = product of his system. Westbrook = every bit as talented, if not more than Tomlinson.
Go ahead, ... take your shots. (Just like my arguments FOR the 3-4 defense several years ago.)
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f-dallas
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11/28/2007 9:52 AM
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The myth of McNabb being unable to read cover zero has grown to monumental proportions. The guy is a 5 time Pro Bowler and he was aware there were no safeties in the middle of the field...he just wasn't able to take advantage.
To 9imply he couldn;t read cover zero would be to imply that he not only couldn't read it, but none of the receivers noticed it and none of the coaches noticed it because the offense was stuffed that whole day.
Cover zero was more of an judgment on the Eagles receivers. That was the Cowboys saying "We know your WRs cannot get off the jam".
Funny enough, the Patriots played some cover zero Monday and the Eagles were able to carve up the middle all day long.
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11/28/2007 9:56 AM
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Tomlinson = product of his system. Westbrook = every bit as talented, if not more than Tomlinson.
Tomlinson has more power inside, and I believe he has a half a gear more in a straight out footrace, but it's not a ridiculous comparison. Certain they are both great jukers and both are superior receivers.
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11/28/2007 10:00 AM
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God, he's the best QB in franchise history, not Tarvaris Jackson. People would rather someone who stinks but says all the right things in the press. Mike Schmidt syndrome repeating itself.
Get a grip.
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Dean-o
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11/28/2007 10:04 AM
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I'm not going to get into a debate over this, ... done this that shit. I'm also not going to do the leg work. Break out your tapes over the past several years of the Cowboy / Eagle's games. See how frequently WIDE OPEN, UNCOVERED receivers went unnoticed to McNabb. It became a media joke. (Perhaps rather than saying that McNabb could not read a defense, it should have been said that he is "too slow at reading and reacting to defenses.") Of course no one would want to imply that he lacked the mental quickness for obvious reasons. Afterall, he made the decision not to run because of being sterotyped.
Whatever.
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11/28/2007 10:05 AM
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I wouldn't go to Lincoln Financial Field if they let me call the plays.
Will tailgate however.
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Dean-o
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11/28/2007 10:11 AM
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Yep, ... best statistical QB in franchise history ever to succumb to pressure and literally, choke when the team, fans, ... hell world sought his leadership.
When it was time to step up to the challenge and display true show leadership he vomitted on teammates cleats in the huddle.
Yea, ... I'll get a grip.
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SeeZakRun
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11/28/2007 10:21 AM
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That's a pretty one-dimensional view of a guy who has for the most part been an excellent QB during his time here. You seem to have an irrational hatred for the guy so I'm not going to waste much effort debating this.
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f-dallas
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11/28/2007 10:32 AM
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McNabb has played below average football this year and hasn't really been the same since T.O. left. I'm ready to move on, for sure.
I can't get into these old debates, though.
Interesting note, though (specifically related to the Cowboys). In the Washington game, McNabb tied Aikman's career passing TDs in 50 fewer games and with 63 fewer INTs.
That guy is the biggest Fraud of Famer in history.
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Dean-o
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11/28/2007 10:33 AM
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85.4 career QB Rating, ... Has made it through an entire year just ONCE since 2002. Trust me, ... nothing irrational, just tired of hearing how great McNabb is/was.
Underachiever.
Time for a change.
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SeeZakRun
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11/28/2007 10:35 AM
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Time for a change.
On that we agree.
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