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OK - got it. Didn't realize that 3 teams were average in the NFC.

Looking back at their records, yeesh...and two of the Rams' wins came against the 'Hawks...

The defense got absolutely mauled in that game. The receivers got mauled in a way I've never seen. 1 of his INTs bounced off Thrash's chest, a second INT came as a result of Pinkston getting thrown to the ground on a timing route, and a third came as a result of Pinkston stopping a route short because he was afraid of getting hit again.

i guess i'm still not making my point clear: i'm not blaming mcnabb or hating on him. no doubt, his receivers played to their natural abilities - absolute shit. i'm simply suggesting that westbrook would have had a bigger impact on that game than mcnabb obviously did, just based on his ability to gain chunks of yards if given a little space, through the air and on the ground, forcing the defense to play more honest.

That's a tough argument to attack or defend, honestly. I've never once thought of it.

I would guess the Eagles wouldn't have been in that game if McNabb wasn't around to single handedly win the game 1 week prior, though. That's what makes these crazy hypothetical scenarios a little tough to work through and you have to see the big picture.

At this point in real time, though, I'd be much less distraught with a season ending McNabb injury than one to Westbrook.

I just think that up until late last year, Westbrook's trademark was:

- Injury prone
- Can't handle the full load of a running back.

Yeah, it stinks that McNabb's and Westbrook's prime have not coincided.

Realistically 36 has two more years at peak performance, in which time they'll likely be rebuilding with a young QB.

maybe i'm just forgetting how dangerous mcnabb was when he had/used his legs.

seems like forever ago.

Bethel Johnson and Troy Brown come to mind, and I believe both are out of football, though Brown could stay in NE and not have to pay for a meal in his life.

funny you mention him; brown was activated today when the pats put colvin on IR.

so the eagles played a good game, kept it close and knocked a pat's starter out for the season. couldn't have asked for much more than that.

Remember when McNabb was the toughest QB in the league to tackle? He routinely shed blitzers- much like Big Ben is doing these days. I remember

McNabb's positives:

* Throwing dog toys while anchored by an elastic band.

* great athleticism early and unafraid of winning by all means necessary, particularly 2000

* strong arm

weaknesses:

* streaky

* not a good come from behind QB. Memorable comebacks: Steeler's in his second year, Giants in his third year, and the crowning comeback was against the Packers in the playoffs.

* not a good reader of defenses (sorry, F-d, but enough pundits have commented on his inability to recognize his hot WR regularly) the most memorable moment for me when this wasn't the case was his pass in the Bears playoff game to Duce (or someone else) on an all out blitz. But the bottom line is that McNabb does poor when pressured. I remember Kerry Collins raping the Birds defense with slant after slant for all of their blitzes. McNabb wasn't that person.

PS, F-d, the person I had talked to was VERY close to the whole issue and was very familiar with most personnel.

His comment to me was that the problem in football was not the "complexity of the game", it was getting a bunch of kids to focus and REALLY understand their responsibilities when they have tons of money, women, and easy access to so many distractions to keep them from being focused. We also talked about why it was necessary for a HC to work the crazy hours that they do. His response was that most HC's are compulsive and feel obligated to view those tapes/videos to look for anything that could give an edge. He admitted that most of the film study was for completeness rather than yielding as much as one would hope for.

Seth, unfortunately the best stuff would reveal the source. I can anonymize it thusly, for one of the recent SB games one of the teams lost a player to another team and that player knew all of the old playcalling. They were never changed. Needless to say, the player (who played on defense) correctly identified 80% of the plays of the opponent and audibles were useless. The guy was telling me how shocked he was that those calls hadn't been changed. Randomly, he goes to movies and concerts with Bellecheat.

PS, F-d, the person I had talked to was VERY close to the whole issue and was very familiar with most personnel.

I've never contended he was great at reading defenses, for the record.

I simply think the "he couldn't read cover zero" thing is a complete myth.

I think he could "read it", but as Dean-O said, it was more a function of his inability to overcome it.

Thanks Jules-

Now Im as curious as to who that Defensive player is/was as I am the coach.

"Dagnabbit blah!"

PS, F-d, the person I had talked to was VERY close to the whole issue and was very familiar with most personnel.

had to be childress, right?

I vote The Walrus.

Jules, I'm glad you were making nice to Coughlin. I always knew you had a man-crush on him from afar, but now you got a chance to meet and chat with him too?

not sure about childres my guess seth hit it, mainly because you gotta think west coast HC (and I don't mean WCO) if memory serves Jules is out in the land of fake boobies and wild fires...

I vote The Walrus.

something very child-molesterish about holmgren and his disciples obsession with mustaches.

if he, brad and andy walked into the local baskin robbins together, first instinct would be to grab your kids and run.

I don't think anyone can criticze McNabb's talent in his prime. But the weaknesses in his game were as follows:

1. accuracy
2. consistency
3. heart
4. no sense of urgency
5. leadership
6. unwillingness to use his talents (run) to better the team instead of pushing his agenda.
7. garbage receivers
8. stupid version of WCO that required an accurate QB and passed way to much
9. coaches not allowing him to use his amazing talents (run, one of the strongest arms in the league for deep balls, etc)

He was one of the most talented QBs/athletes in the game. I can't even imagine the numbers he would have posted if he played the Rams, Patriots, or even the Lions. These teams would have been saying "do what you do best."

But his lousy attitude and selfishness destroyed him in this town. Do you think Manning would allow the coaches to call such awful plays without a fight?

Unlike Julamy, I hope he excels elsewhere AND Kolb excels here.

You can't blame the receivers as a weakness in McNabb's game. But I'm with you- it's a damn shame.

First Randall, now McMartyr. Why can't Philly ever have a decent coach for these talent laden QBs so they don't end up not living up to their potential?

Sorry FB, I guess I didn't word it very well, but you get my point. McNabb is to blame for some of his shortcomings (esp. fragile ego), but the rest were beyond his control.

Unfortunately, the biggest problems were beyond his control.

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