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If you read FO at all, they liked him, too. Scout.com had him as the 4th best QB in the draft, other sites had him at #2, etc.

For the record, I was just talking about their bad mojo in the 2nd round and the Eagles propensity to deem their precious picks "successes" before they accomplish a thing or even give them a reason to believe. it was less about Kolb.

However, the more you spoke about how highly regarded Kolb was, the more I was confused. I don't remember him being that highly regarded at all.

He was called a "system" QB by most. Kiper said Kolb reminded him of Kyle Boller.

Scout.com had him ranked 4th. Fox Sports had him ranked 7th. Rivals had him 4th. Football's future had him ranked 8th.

No one had him ranked 3rd or among the top 36 prospects in the draft.

That doesn't mean a THING in terms of how he develops, but I couldn't find a publication that had him higher than 4th and most had him behind Stanton, Edwards, or both.

Again, this is only in response to the comment that many thought he was a a good pick there or not a reach there. I think most thought he was a reach, but he was worth it if the Eagles loved him because he might have gone later in the round.

Wasn't trying to confuse you, I guess I think 4th overall QB is better than what they normally pick there.

Like I said, my reserved optimism is based on those two factors I listed. Seeing #4 and #5 overall, doesn't make it seem like 2nd round is a huge reach.

But then, most of this pre-draft stuff is nonsense anyway.

So, guarded optimism based on those two factors I listed. I think post-draft analysis is more important anyway, since I think it tends to feature actual college performance than scouting combines.

I think we're in agreement, overall, though.

I agree that Kolb reminds me of Tom Brady, but better looking...with Steve Young's scrambling ability...and Favre's jersey number.

Jeez, just read Kiper's review about Kolb. He said "he's not accurate", which is probably his best attribute.

KB, that's great, because not sure how/what Kiper got to be "the expert" but the guy has more misses than the Eagles when it comes to picking talent... so if he thinks Kolb, isn't accurate (which IMO is crap) then the Eagles should reserve a spot for him in Canton... Kiper is a BITCH...

I think it was the right pick, (not that we're going to get into that again) The Eagles have in the past drafted positions to replace all-pros before we thought they were needed the secondary draft(Brown, Lewis, Shepard) so if they are sticking to the plan they used there (and we all know how they refuse to adjust that plan no mtter what) then I think it's safe to read into that, McNabb will be the QB next year and they move him after next season.

Kolb's not known as a very accurate passer. That was always listed among his biggest weaknesses.

Here's the book on Kolb as I know it:

Pros
- Decent size
- Plus arm
- Good athletic ability/scrambling
- Great leadership
- Great intangibles
- Great toughness

Cons
- Streaky with accuracy
- Ran a QB friendly system
- Tends to force some balls
- Relies too much on athletic ability
- Could be a long term project in term of making NFL reads (because of his college system)

He had a 61.6% completion percentage in college.

"Research done by the Football Outsiders suggest that there are two college stats that many successful pro QBs share: Starts and Completion Percentage. QBs who have started at least 40 games and have a career completion percentage of at least 60% tend to have more success in the NFL."

Stats are stats, but those who watched him play said he was prone to wildness.

Don't forget that Dave Klingler threw 54 TDs in that offense.

In one season (if that wasn't clear).

So in this offense, Kolb should throw 60!

I honestly don't believe that Kiper and people of that ilk saw him play that much. Again, what's the success record for people like Kiper?

I think 61.6% shows that he's not inaccurate, though. It'd be hard to have that average while going into long wormburner snaps.

- Could be a long term project in term of making NFL reads (because of his college system)

He should fit in perfectly then.

Further, his completion % his senior year was almost 68%. I find it hard to believe a lot of these draftniks watched him and saw inaccuracy as a weakness.

and what was wrong with Klingler?!? he never had a chance, he went to the Bengels who had nothing for him to work with or got anything for him, and he was almost beaten into a vegitative state... The same thing that happened to Carr by the way, it's tough to play the position from your back...

As far as his completion % I thought it was almost 70, I know his senior year it was 67%, and to me that tends to lean that he is accurate, I don't think McNabb's ever had that high a completion percentage although I'd have to check to be certain.

beat me to it KB,

I think 61.6% shows that he's not inaccurate, though. It'd be hard to have that average while going into long wormburner snaps.

Well, McNabb is completing 60.4% of his passes this year and I wouldn't say he's been sharp.

I have no clue how accurate or streaky he is. In the pre-season, I thought I saw streakiness (beautiful throws one down and way off the next), but that was pre-season in a brand new offense.

All I'm saying is while 61% for a college career is great, I think the stats without watching him play (I didn't) are a little empty. I know most scouting reports mentioned the accuracy as an issues, which is why it stuck in my head.

Note: Klingler was a 57.5% passer in college

Further, his completion % his senior year was almost 68%. I find it hard to believe a lot of these draftniks watched him and saw inaccuracy as a weakness.

Yeah, I know the numbers. Like I said, I didn't watch him play (I might have seen 2 games), and I'm I'm doing right now is throwing out what was written about him by scouts.

If I threw to Westbrook 15 times a game, my % would be there, too.

Seriously, McNabb got that % with 7 ypa. Kolb did it with almost 9 ypa

Did you watch the guy play consistently in college, KB?

I didn't. I understand one web site said 60% is the magic number, but the other 20 disagreed that accuracy was one of his strengths. I'm just reading what was written here, rather than taking a side.

I saw him play in about 5, since my friend is a degenerate gambler.

BTW, I just checked and the guys who replaced him (QB Rotation of a FR. and SO.) completed 69% and 64% of their passes this year.

And I understand you're just saying what those sites said, but there's no way they could have watched him play, and seen his numbers, and listed that. The guy completed 68% of his passed while almost getting a first down each time. That's pretty good.

Again, I'm not jocking him, but I think it's weird that people like Kiper said this stuff, when the opposite is true.

I have no idea how this will translate to the pro's, but that kind of accuracy is good to have in the WC offense (if they still have that when he starts)

BTW, I just checked and the guys who replaced him (QB Rotation of a FR. and SO.) completed 69% and 64% of their passes this year.

That's fine, and if he's a system QB, fine. I just think inacuracy was an odd choice, that's all.

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