Seth in 736

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1/8/2008 3:48 PM




FWIW guys, this is the scuttlebutt.

Im indiferent.




Dino727

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1/8/2008 3:56 PM




I won't believe it until Byars posts it.




Seth in 736

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1/8/2008 3:57 PM




NTFF~




bassiladelph

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1/8/2008 3:57 PM




If it's true, Reid re-assumes GM duties, which would be believable if it wasn't for the fact that he never really lost GM duties in the first place.

Meh.




KeithByars

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1/8/2008 3:57 PM




Heckert IS heading to Atlanta, but it's to undergo a full sex change




Johnson

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1/8/2008 4:24 PM




Later tool.

However this is probably very exciting news for Matt McCoy.




f-dallas

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1/8/2008 4:26 PM




Like the Saints are going to let that duo of McCoy and Simanawhowho? go.

Anyone else find it hilarious that the Eagles sucked defending the run for years and some in Cajun Country:

- Watched the film
- Decided Hollis, Simanawhowho?, and McCoy were EXACTLY th direction he wanted his defense to go.




f-dallas

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1/8/2008 4:30 PM




Good riddance to Heckert, too.

I don't think he did anything good or bad for the Eagles.

My fear is he's leaving for the tiny ounce of additional control, which may be a sign he disagreed with the vetoes being levied on him by the fat man.

Expect another yes-man cronie (i.e. Jason Licht) to take his place, which will mean the Eagles are still "net fucked" with the power hungry FB shooting from the hip on his final picks.




Johnson

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1/8/2008 4:53 PM




"Expect another yes-man cronie (i.e. Jason Licht) to take his place, which will mean the Eagles are still "net fucked" with the power hungry FB shooting from the hip on his final picks."

That's what typically happens when you have the coach before the GM. Especially a coach with as much control as Reid.

The Eagles will continue to miss on a lot of personnel moves unless Andy's next GM is a unknown, mormon, whiz-kid, bubble specialist who has the power to plant suggestions in stubborn coaches' minds...


Reno Mahe?




f-dallas

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1/8/2008 4:58 PM




One thing I'll say about Licht is at least they stole him FROM the Gold Standard.

Maybe he's got some Pats mojo in him, but I'm going to bet they don't even interview anyone else which is the height of stupidity/arrogance, in my mind.




bassiladelph

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1/8/2008 5:08 PM




If he agreed to come to the Pyrite Standard, how long before he realizes that it's WORSE here than in Boston? It's not as if he'll be in a better situation (personnel wise), he won't have final say, he won't be able to bask in the glow of multiple championships, and he'll have to deal with egos without weight.

How does that even work?




Jules_Jr

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1/8/2008 5:12 PM




That mojo will be stamped out, torn out (root and branch) by the Fat Man.




Tattoo

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1/8/2008 5:56 PM




I don't think he did anything good or bad for the Eagles

f-d what if Heckert was the brains behind the fat man and Reid is nothing more than someone that picks good FO people and thinks he can coach?!?

anyway I am happy for him, and hope he does well down there, and as a sign of thanks for all he has done for the Eagles Reid should not only send Culley with him BUT also offer to pay Culley's salary. This way Heckert can take a piece of Philly down there to the Falcons with their great WR's...




f-dallas

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1/10/2008 10:03 AM




f-d what if Heckert was the brains behind the fat man and Reid is nothing more than someone that picks good FO people and thinks he can coach?!?

anyway I am happy for him, and hope he does well down there, and as a sign of thanks for all he has done for the Eagles Reid should not only send Culley with him BUT also offer to pay Culley's salary. This way Heckert can take a piece of Philly down there to the Falcons with their great WR's...


I'm sure Heckert is the brains behind the operation. The question is whether he has shit FOR brains.

According to legend, Heckert's first draft (and year he was in charge of personnel was 2002. Obviously, that was a good draft.

Just going through and using my own opinion on 2002-2006 drafts, I think he's 10 for 16 on first day picks.

I think he's 6 for 26 on second day picks.

Overall, that's a 38% success rate and I think the 2007 draft is going to bring that down with half the draft getting cut after camp and Hunt (specifically) looking like a massive bust.

His first day home run has to be Westbrook and his second day home run has to be Cole.

The real problem is his ability to find top end talent, not solid players. He's drafted a total of 4 players who have made at least one pro bowl and 3 of them came in that 2002 draft (Lito, Westbrook, and Michael Lewis). Lewis was unceremoniously benched and allowed to walk a couple years later as his play deteriorated.

Of the remaining 3 (Westbrook, Andrews, and Lito), the most accurate description for the lot as a whole is "fragile". They've all missed a boatload of time as Eagles over the past few years, but are elite when healthy.

Further, their record in free agency with Heckert in charge can only be described as catastrophic.

Kearse and Howard highlight the bunch. The Eagles have paid Kearse about $1 million per sack in his 4 seasons here. I think the err there wasn't their fault as the injury plays a big role in it (and he did dominate in his first year). Of course, Kearse looks like a bargain compared to the $3 million pr sack they've paid for Darren Howard over the last 2 years. Hell, they got a batter deal on McDougle ($2.6 million per sack)!

Like Linebackers? How about Nate Wayne and Dhani Jones?

The minor FA moves they've made over the years have also caused some major pain (Kirkland/Bishop).

You could say they've been successful in trades based on just the AJ deal to Miami and the T.O. deal, but dealing 2 picks for Mark SimanaWHO and even dealing Al Harris for a 2nd round pick (which they promptly blew by using it to trade up for Mcdougle.

Then there's the ultimate equalizer...wins and losses. Heckert was given the reigns on an improving team. They were good for 3 years before he was handed the keys and they continued to be good for 3 more seasons. They're now a .500 team since the Super Bowl in the last 3 years.

The way I see it, and I know FB makes the final calls, Heckert's record is AT BEST mixed.




bassiladelph

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1/10/2008 10:27 AM




Atlanta is rumored to be looking at Pete Carroll. Aside from the nimrodic "Hey, I know! Let's hire ANOTHER college coach!" mindset, total control is being dangled, which affects whether or not Heckert gets the job.

Have there been more than a handful of college coaches that have been successful in the NFL? And why are nimrods so enamored by them?




f-dallas

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1/10/2008 10:42 AM




In my humble opinion, there is a better chance EAG wears a 30's McNabb throwback to the opera this weekend than Carrol taking over that mess in Hotlanta.

Plus, as was pointed out today by Mort on ESPN Radio, Carrol has built his program with a stacked deck. He gets 25 first round picks every year, so why would he want to take over a team that would blow Nick Lachey in an alley for just a handful of the players he nonchalantly graduates or sends off the pros with a lunch box full of Mercedes keys each year?




KeithByars

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1/10/2008 10:45 AM




Pride




bassiladelph

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1/10/2008 10:48 AM




He (like any other college coach) also has the advantage of the players listening to him. I doubt he'd be able to tell DeAngelo Hall to sit in the corner and do his homework the next time he spouts off.

Which is why i don't understand why more owners don't see that college coaches in the NFL just don't work.




flesh4fantasy

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1/10/2008 11:03 AM




i'm not sure how this affects the heckert situation, but smallwood's article today says that blank is offering carroll full control over player personnel.

so the real question is, is arthur blank suffering from some kind of untreated head trauma? after what he just went through with petrino, and the track record in general with college coaches going to the nfl, he is really moving to snyder-esque proportions of hubris and folly.

atlanta has no businsess with a footlball team, anyway.




bassiladelph

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1/10/2008 11:06 AM




atlanta has no businsess with a professional sports team, anyway.

Fixed it for you, flesh.




f-dallas

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1/10/2008 11:33 AM




Pride

Exactly, but Atlanta?

Every year jobs open up where teams have a lot fewer problems and better players on the roster, so why start out with the Falcons when he could potentially reunite with Carson Palmer in a year or go to another more desirable situation?

Hell, the 49ers would allow him to stay in CA and they are another team that might be shopping for a head coach sooner rather than later.




TheTalon

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1/10/2008 11:34 AM




I think it's just as stupid to completely denounce all college coaches because a good number of the head coaches in the NFL were once college coaches.

The current problem stems from owners who chase "star" coaches, whether they're from the college ranks (usually) or pros. These products of the star system want total control, and they also can lose interest quickly. You're not making a long-term investment with these guys, particularly the college stars who have an easy out for their contract and can be BMOC anywhere with a lot less work to do.




KeithByars

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1/10/2008 11:38 AM




Every year jobs open up where teams have a lot fewer problems and better players on the roster,

Correct, but those teams my not be willing to give up full control




f-dallas

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1/10/2008 11:41 AM




I think it's just as stupid to completely denounce all college coaches because a good number of the head coaches in the NFL were once college coaches.

Maybe it's just a terrible/unlucky trend recently, but how many NFL coaches right now were head coaches in college?

I can't think of one off the top of my head, but it seems like there are few if any.

In fact, who is the last college coach has made a really successful transition? Jimmy Johnson?




f-dallas

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1/10/2008 11:42 AM




Correct, but those teams my not be willing to give up full control

If teams really want him, they'll give him what he wants. I just can't believe the city of Atlanta and their current reputation as an embarrassment aren't a great fit.

You've got a roster that doesn't have a lot of talent and two of the guys you would theoretically keep (Roddy White and Hall) are clearly clowns.




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