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1/25/2008 5:31 PM
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(No, im not talking about my birth lol.)
Alot was made about how letting T.O go to Dallas was one of the biggest blunders in franchise history.
Some ive talked to would put that in the same class as when the Eagles traded Sonny Jurgenson for Norm Snead, or Reggie White walk...
But what has flown under the radar a little bit, was the Eagles having the chance to sign Plexico Burress. (Who they had at the Nova Care complex apparently...) and blowing it.
I think that Buress has come back to haunt us way more then T.O. Not only is Owens at the end of his rope, he's only beaten us one time in his whole career.
Buress on the other hand is young and is an animal and kicks our asses every game and were stuck dealing with him for a long time. This guy is one of the big reasons that the Giants are in the Superbowl aside from the defense....
So after all that rambling. Id say that letting T.O go was bad even though he's a jackass, but Buress is really coming back to haunt us!
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1/25/2008 6:59 PM
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Actually, that's a pretty good point.
One of the weapons the Eagles don't have is a big target in the end zone that can get higher than the normal DB. For years, the Eagles have had issues with WRs getting TDs. Giving McNabb a guy that can provide the fade route or the jump ball in the end zone is just the type of thing that could open up other parts of the field.
When you look at the offense, especially now, you see the Eagles can actually get the ball deep. They have the speed burners in Lewis and Curtis. They haven't had the difference-making possession receiver for a while.
There were reasons they were skeptical, I'm sure. However, if he makes Eli Manning look credible, he'd make McNabb look downright Bradyesque.
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Shockeysux
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1/25/2008 7:12 PM
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(One of the weapons the Eagles don't have is a big target in the end zone that can get higher than the normal DB. For years, the Eagles have had issues with WRs getting TDs. Giving McNabb a guy that can provide the fade route or the jump ball in the end zone is just the type of thing that could open up other parts of the field.)
That is why they have had problems in the redzone. Aside from Idiot Reid forgetting to run the ball with a star running back and a monster offensive line....
You are right about them being all about bringing in choir boys and not taking a chance on a sociopath. Especially after T.O...
But Burress hasnt caused any problems in New Yawk that i know of.
That, and the F.O had to of known that the Giants were gonna scoop him up!!!!
And what really pisses me off, is when the kool-aid drinkers like Spadaro try to jam these bums like Reggie Brown and Hank Baskett. Like were stupid or something!!!
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1/25/2008 7:20 PM
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Those receivers can be salvaged.
Bring in a veteran WR who has established credibility, even if his tools aren't there anymore. Think of when TO was in town. Reggie Brown really developed. He watched an All-Pro prep for a game. He watched his conditioning. He watched the intensity and focus. You can teach that, but until you really see it - it might not sink in.
Bring in a vet, like Tory Holt. Let him show the young guys that when the practice whistle blows, WRs and the QBs stay on the field. When WRs eat, they talk about how to communicate on the field. When WRs hit the weight room, they work on certain muscle groups that differ from the other players.
You might think that goes on already, but I'm not so sure. A veteran like Holt speaks and the young guys listen. A veteran tells them 6oz carbs and a banana before games and they eat it because he's built a career and has made the mistakes and learned the lessons. He also sees the writing on the wall and knows the young guys will take his job soon enough and if he wants another ring or maybe coaching, he needs to get to work on it while he can.
In my off-season plan, I suggested bringing in a guy like Holt (if available) to mentor the young guys, provide the possession receiver this offense needs, and transition out economically in two years or so.
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Shockeysux
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1/26/2008 11:10 AM
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Good point. A hard working receiver can rub off on the other guys.
Like if Tory Holt was in there, he would chew Reggie Brown apart for standing around like a clueless putz while Mcnabb runs for his life....
It just bothers me so much more that the Eagles had a chance to right a wrong by signing Burress after the T.O circus. And they didnt do it....
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1/27/2008 3:46 PM
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This was covered ad nauseum when Burress first signed with the Giants.
Then we bring it up every time he torches the Eagles' brigade of smurf-like cornerbacks.
What he did against Green Bay was nothing new, and the fact that the Eagles refuse to do anything to resolve their inability to cover him is just par for the course. You have an arrogant staff of self-proclaimed geniuses who won't let the fact that they've never won a championship cause them to change from their *brilliant* strategy of stock-piling D-grade, miniature Mormons with high character.
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1/28/2008 9:19 AM
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Talon,
Doesnt it seem like Reid thinks he can put anyone in there and that his "system" will do the job?
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Shockeysux
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1/28/2008 9:59 AM
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To counteract this mistake of letting Burress go to the Giants...
Does anyone in here think that the Eagles will draft a big shutdown corner to stop him?
Like when they drafted Bobby Taylor to shut down Irvin?
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TheTalon
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1/28/2008 10:46 AM
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No. All the talk in the paper is about guys who are 5'11".
But I'm sure that in the post-draft spin, we'll learn that these guys "play big."
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Shockeysux
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1/28/2008 10:55 AM
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(But I'm sure that in the post-draft spin, we'll learn that these guys "play big.")
They better not sell Will James as a "big play corner-back" again...
That really irritates me how they try to do that...
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1/28/2008 11:02 AM
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Does anyone in here think that the Eagles will draft a big shutdown corner to stop him?
Even as Talon stated (that there's not really anyone in the draft), big shutdown DBs like Bobby Taylor are just uncommon. And they need time to develop. So even if there was someone in the draft that could do the job, it likely wouldn't be this year.
Kingsford James was clearly not as good as the Eagles made you believe (I mean, that whole "starter" controversy?), but the secondary as a whole wasn't great, overall.
A CB is definitely necessary because you can't count on Lito for going through a whole season unscathed (and he gets less flak than 5) and you need more overall depth.
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1/28/2008 11:02 AM
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"big play" and "play big" are not equivalent, shockeysux.
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1/28/2008 11:16 AM
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This guy would be a good pick...(if he's still around)
http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/profile.php?pyid=56412
Like you guys said, there arent going to be big corners like Bobby Taylor around...
But this guy could be a pretty good player....And solves the KR problem!
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Shockeysux
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1/28/2008 11:18 AM
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flesh4fantasy,
So you would rather have T.O then Burress?
On paper T.O is better.But Burress is better for the long term.
Plus he isnt as big of a head case.
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1/28/2008 12:28 PM
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In real life, T.O. is better, too.
Look, I'm a fan of Plaxico, and I was pissed when the Eagles sat back and watched with their thumb up their ass while he walked to the Giants for a bargain contract as T.O. threw a tantrum. However, Plaxico is injured a lot, and he also has a reputation for taking plays/practice off and acting like a "me first" kind of guy. He is anything but the high character team player that Reid wants.
To me, Plaxico is a lesser version of T.O., both in skill and selfish behavior. I also hear that he gives gives good head but doesn't swallow, making him only partially gay.
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Shockeysux
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1/28/2008 4:48 PM
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I guess i was just going off of the fact that T.O is at the end of his career, and hasnt done much against the Eagles...
While Burress keeps kicking are asses...
You are right though Talon, Burress was on the market at a pretty bad time.
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1/28/2008 7:21 PM
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The Eagles FO was in a bind over taking Plaxico at that point in two different ways though:
1. It would mean that the draft in which they selected Simon over Burress would be reviewed in a whole new light. And who wants to be reminded of the Eagles drafting Simon (no longer in football), Pinkston (no longer in football), Bobbie Williams, Gari Scott, Thomas Hamner, John Frank, and John Romero (all who never even panned out at all).
2. It might be considering "reaching" for a player who had burned the Eagles a little before. This experiment was seen with the likes of James Thrash and Brian Mitchell before, and that path was not really part of Reid's philosophy. (Especially since Burress isn't a character guy, Mormon, and/or a Smurf that no one has heard of)
The bigger mistake has always been Reid's insistance on running a WCO without having all the personnel in place to do it. (Pinpoint accurate QB, great wide outs, Superb TE, FB that can block and catch, etc.)
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1/28/2008 9:16 PM
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To me, Plaxico is a lesser version of T.O., both in skill and selfish behavior.
Skill
T.O. > Plex
Selfishness
T.O. = Plex
Work Ethic/ Plays Hard
T.O. > Plex
Pays His Taxes
T.O. > Plex
Plaxico In Trouble Over Unpaid Taxes
January 28, 2008
Dave Klein
Hey, what's a little tax money between friends?
In case you haven't heard, there is an arrest warrant lurking out there with the name of Plaxico Burress on it. Although it doesn't identify him as the Giants' newest (and most expensive) wide receiver, it's him, all right.
It was issued by a District Court Judge in Moon Township, Pa., which is where the Unrestricted Free Agent lived when he played for the Pittsburgh Steelers, and it concerns an "unspecified" amount of overdue tax monies the players allegedly owes in back taxes.
Keystone Municipal Collections attorney Tom Kratzenberg said Burress owes taxes from 1998 through 2002. The category is "wage taxes" which Pennsylvania charges those who work in the state even if they don't permanently reside there.
It is a one percent wage tax, which you might arbitrarily decide is sort of petty, but over the five years Burress was with the Steelers, he was paid $15.2 million, and any clown with a pocket calculator will tell you that represents roughly $152,000.
Now you add penalties and interest and the damned thing can -- and probably has -- more than doubled.
Still, you have to wonder why a guy earning that much money, who clearly had not only agents but money managers and accountants, would allow this to slip through the cracks.
The money, according to Kratzenberg, was to be split between Moon Township and the Moon Township Area School District.
The big news is that unless this matter is cleared up, Burress will be arrested and fined upon returning to the state of Pennsylvania, according to Coraopolis, Pa., District Judge Mary Murray. Returning to the state is probably something that Burress won't be able to control, unless the Philadelphia Eagles agree to play both games this season in Giants Stadium.
The Giants had no official comment or reaction, although it is a guarantee that they will see to it that the situation is resolved in a hurry. Burress' agent, Drew Rosenhaus, declined to comment and a telephone call placed by The Associated Press to the player's Pittsburgh home proved fruitless -- a woman answered and then hung up without commenting.
The warrant was issued Thursday after Burress failed to appear at an appeals hearing in delinquent tax claim court Wednesday.
While this isn't something that will seriously affect Burress' ability to play wide receiver (well, slotback) this season, it could be indicative of the apparently endless stream of minor skirmishes with the law that has followed him since he left Michigan State and became the Steelers' first round draft pick in 2000 (the same year the Giants bestowed that honor on running back Ron Dayne).
The 6-5, 225-pound Burress, one of the NFL's most feared wide receivers, seems to have adopted a "loose cannon" lifestyle similar to other gifted wideouts such as Terrell Owens, Randy Moss and Joe Horn.
This isn't quite a caveat emptor situation, and the Giants (the buyers) knew the downside to this gifted athlete before they signed him. But with players like this, there is always a reason to beware, you know?
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NCSaintsFan
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1/28/2008 9:23 PM
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If Burress hired an accountant to handle taxes, he can reasonably plead ignorance to the criminal charge and just pay the taxes. The "ignornce is no excuse" doesn't always play out. Typically, they save the jail time for the guys that deliberately avoid taxes and refuse to make ammends.
Something tells me Burress can make a convincing case for being a dumbass.
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Fred_Barnett
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1/28/2008 9:34 PM
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One of many
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Shockeysux
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1/29/2008 8:47 AM
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Why are receivers,
(especially the big play ones) such head cases?
The only one i can think of that isnt right now is Marvin Harrison.
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Shockeysux
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1/29/2008 8:49 AM
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NCSaintsFan,
That is crazy how a multi-millionaire has tax issues.
He must be a real dumbass...
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Fred_Barnett
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1/29/2008 9:04 AM
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Why are receivers,
(especially the big play ones) such head cases?
Constant adulation, the roar of the crowd, the perception of money solves everything, and consistantly getting away with murder since they were kids might be factors.
Look at Rodman, Mike Tyson, Britney Spears, child actors, etc...
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1/29/2008 9:05 AM
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Why are receivers,
(especially the big play ones) such head cases?
Considering the nature of the position, it's not hard to figure. Guys like Harrison are a rare breed, and even then you don't know the whole story because the NFL isn't exactly 100% forthcoming with its stars.
It's not so much that good->great WRs act like children, but it's HOW you get them to contribute (just like any parent to a child) that can help make you a great coach.
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F_B, are you saying FredEx is like Brittney? The only correlation between them is the rumor that they both like m....oh forget it.
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