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Read that article nova and was goin to link it then realized it said really nothin.

Nothin different than has been speculated about for weeks.

Anytime someone's name comes up as available, from Boldin to Jason Taylor and Jarod Allen just this week alone- Philly's name is in the piece.


Anyone can see that The Birds are goin to be makin moves or tryin (hopefully not using the new draft chart in these pursuits, or it wont end well).

Just think that with all the "smoke" that FD just rehashed, with regards to their pursuit of a vet WR- its no shocker that people right up til and on Saturday will still be linking Philly to moves.

Im nuts, I realize- (no moreso than the motard GMs who steadfastly refuse to make the best move for their clubs ala The Cheifs, and deal one of their WRs) but I still think that come Saturday, Philly could very well get that WR they want.
Be it that they up their offer, 1 of the teams previously contacted comes back to them when the guy they were going to select gets taken out from under them (A CB obviously) or just continued persistence on The Eagles' part.

Color me shocked that none of those guys has moved on, too. I can't believe the restraint (possibly stupidity) teams are showing in not trading these WRs.

In Cincy, they have Housh and still won't deal. In Zona, they have Fitz and still won't deal. In Detroit they have Megatron and Furrey...still won't deal Roy.

I am as well. Why jeopardize your season with a malcontent? The only thing I can think of is that they don't want to set precedents for Boldin and Ocho. RW makes no sense. The Cards are so fucking stupid. If Fitz played hardball with them, like they are with Boldin, they'd be fucked right now. You want to rework contracts for your benefit, but not for your players'? Got to go both ways. I think Ocho Jackoff has essentially no beef.

In Detroit, it is stupid to think you need this single WR when you do have capable others and having so many needs. Beats me.

In Cincy, they have Housh and still won't deal. In Zona, they have Fitz and still won't deal. In Detroit they have Megatron and Furrey...still won't deal Roy.


You're talking about two of the worst owners (Cincy and Zona) and an incompetant GM (Millen).

Good point NC.

That is why they are the bengals, cardinals and lions.

Having 2 elite wr per team has done little to make them competitive.

Trade 1, grab picks and players and fill other holes--it's not that complicated.

It's a great point. It makes perfect sense that the worst teams in sports have the best WRs because they obsess over stuff like that and ignore the more critical positions.

The Eagles, as much as they overkill the lines, do have the basics right. Without the key positions filled, the impact positions like WR won't help you.

Precisely- and thats why when they do move up Saturday to select an OT they feel will anchor the OL for a decade, I wont be upset.

It may not be what I would put as wish #1, but i realize the philosophy is more than sound.

at the end of the day, 736, I would tend to agree that their is a good chance the Eagles push harder or one of the teams bend and the eagles get their WR. However, the one thing that has come up this week that could put the keybash on the whole deal is Danny Boy. I think 1 of the three teams with a WR to deal will bend. no more. That team will certainty call danny boy and he will, without a shadow of a doubt, offer more than the Eagles. The writing is on the wall. Washington will wind up with Roy, OCHO or Boldin.

Absolutely- they're the prollem child in this.

Just told someone else that if its between Philly and the Skins- forget it.

They'll mortgage the future to land CJ who has 2 to 3 yrs left, tops.


Either way- all things are pointing to one of the more memorable/fun Drafts in a long time.

Thank GOD trading is back to a readily accepted means of building a team- certainly with regards to players, but even the movin up/back etc has gained in popularity/frequency in recent years....

They have made offers for roy and boldin as well. As you said, if they would give two ones for OCHO, what would they give for Roy Williams?

speaking of which:
The Redskins' pursuit of Chad Johnson -- they also offered the Bengals a conditional third-round pick in their latest known proposal -- or another top wide receiver who might be dealt before the draft is expected to continue until they pick Saturday. Washington was rebuffed in attempts to trade for Arizona's Anquan Boldin and still might try to acquire Roy Williams of Detroit, according to league sources. With 20 teams selecting ahead of them, the Redskins have tried to trade down because the top players they have targeted could be off the board, and their efforts probably would continue if they don't get Johnson or the other wide receivers they want to help developing quarterback Jason Campbell.

Oh, I know they have- they were 1st on the scene for Boldin this wk too.

BUT- Ocho I think may be the one that his respective franchise can turn to and say to its fans "we didnt want to move him but at some pt. you just have to do whats best for our club" and not get much flak.

I think he's the front runner to go, despite the game of chicken thats taking place there. A sweeeeet offer on Draft Day when adrenaline is runnin in the war room, compounded with what surely could be described as at least MILD animosity- could spring CJ.

The Lions seem too dumb to get outta their own way.
Cards- See above.

And these guys are younger by a good bit.

If they're goin to be moved- I think the Eagles may be SLIGHTLY ahead of Washington if only for a moment cos they have a player to deal. (Az being the place Id put my $ behind, if Philly gets anything done with anyone Saturday).

The player in Lito would get them heard, and so long as they dont go WAY below what the Skins would offer and keep Lito's value in the package commesurate with say, a #2 that Washington may have offered in conjunction with a pick?
I think Philly would be the team that won out there.

You (AZ) arent just gettin a couple of rookies who can help you now- you're gettin a pro-bowl caliber starting CB AND a pick(s).

Anyway- if CJ's dealt I think he's a skin.

If Boldin's dealt, I wouldnt put Philly THAT FAR behind Snyder and co. just yet.

I don't think Roy is moving.

"...rookies who can/cannot help you now..."

Precisely- and thats why when they do move up Saturday to select an OT they feel will anchor the OL for a decade, I wont be upset.

It may not be what I would put as wish #1, but i realize the philosophy is more than sound.

I hate o-line picks, but I do agree.

Here's the problem, though. Every team has different problems and needs different medicine. Once you have the O-line in place, the Eagles needed to move outside and they failed. That's why an O-lineman this year doesn't make me happy at all. I couldn't care less if they draft some fat ass who might help them get back to 8-8 2 years from now. I'd rather roll the dice this year and let 2 years from now happen when it happens.

They did a fantastic job of planning 2 years in advance with Sheldon and Lito. But what happened in the 2 years while those guys were groomed? Back to back NFC Championship losses.

What happens if instead of getting both those guys, they traded up 3 spots for Javon Walker in the first round?

Then they wouldn't be the Eagles, Fd. They'd be a bit brighter, a tad more aggressive and more flexible. All the things the Mule isn't. Except when it comes to quadruple cheese burgers.

fodallas,
That's the problem, Jimmy. No one knows, especially with WRs, who will bust. The draft class with Gardner, Robinson, Mitchell, etc. looked great. So did the QB class of 99. Still, WR was a need for the Eagles in 2002 (and 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008), so you're point's made.

Who here would be willing to go on record, after the draft, for who the Eagles should have drafted in their spot(s)? Not a mock draft, more of a post-draft selection. You'd know who was still on the board, but without the hindsight to pick guys who later shined.

I'll go on record after the draft.

And I know you never know who will work out or be a bust...I know it's easy to look back and say "They should have done THIS!".

However, they LOVED Walker that year if they loved a lineman of the same caliber there is no way they would have waited and hoped. When they want a lineman, they are aggressive and get their man. See Andrews, McDougle, trading up for Justice, trading up for Max Jean Gilles, trying to trade up for Bunkley until he fell into their lap...

At WR, they identified Walker as a guy they loved and said "well...if he's there I guess we'll take him".

Dumb. They apply different logic to different positions and it doesn't make sense. It's all because Brett Favre made a couple late round scrubs look like Jerry Rice while Coach Escobar was Holmgren's waterboy. 5 ain't no 4.

"Coach Escobar"

That's a new one. I sorta like it.

When it comes down to it, do you think the eagles consistent failure at the WR position comes down to talent or development?

I know many on this site like to blast Culley, but I don't think many teams could turn Greg Lewis into Wes Welker.

If we are being honest, the guys that they have brought in just haven't been that talented.

Brown is OK and he is the best WR this franchise had "produced" in quite some time.

For some reason, they do not do a very good job at evaluating talent at the WR position (and LB too). I don't know why that would change this year.

The team's track record has been solid in drafting lineman and secondary--so I say stick with what you do best.

Let's say that Devin Thomas is indeed the best WR in the draft and the Eagles take him. Do you have faith that he will become a true #1 receiver? I'm not so sure about that. If they draft a Tackle, I think they have a pretty good shot at developing him into an adequate starter.

I agree f-dallas.

Another thing... it would be nice if the players they covet so much and pull out all the stops to get (OL, DL) would develop into upper echelon pros. But most don't... Andrews is very good and Bunkley is starting to show promise, Patterson is steady, but then there are the Justices, McDougles, Greens, and so on.

Meanwhile they're passing on quality at other positions or not doing what it takes to land them.

I saw a quote from Heckert the other day that really burned my ass... he said drafting somebody just because they can help right away is stupid.

Hopefully that's just a smokescreen... but their recent track record in the draft leads me to believe otherwise.

It isn't only that the Birds are bad at evaluating WR, they are worse than the rest of the league which is bad.

That is why I found myself vacillating on Devin Thomas. Either it was that or the leg length discrepancy that FD curveballed me with. Seriously though. Ocho CAN'T be traded before June 1 for reason of the cap hit. So, the Bungs are obligated to hold onto him for that long. Whether they want trade him or not is immaterial. So, it makes it hard for teams to negotiate over this. Leaving Williams and Boldin.

I am anti-smurf. DeGargamel shouldn't be taken before mid-late 2nd.

Forgot to mention Cole is pretty good, but they got lucky grabbing him in the 5th. My point mainly focuses on the first few rounds where they typically burn the most picks on linemen.

I have no faith in Philly's WR talent evaluation. I sincerely hope they don't draft a wideout on day 1.

I know many on this site like to blast Culley, but I don't think many teams could turn Greg Lewis into Wes Welker.


Not sure if it matters, but Lewis was undrafted, wasn't he? They picked him up off the scrap heap after the draft.

Forgot to mention Cole is pretty good, but they got lucky grabbing him in the 5th.

I remember a guy giving praise to Bill Walsh about drafting Montana in the third. The guy said he "stole" Montana. Walsh said something to the effect of, "If I knew how great he'd be, I would've never waited until the third round." Still, they thought well enough of him to draft Cole. Credit for that.

But most don't... Andrews is very good and Bunkley is starting to show promise, Patterson is steady, but then there are the Justices, McDougles, Greens, and so on.

That's the best part...they can whiff on any number of linemen and they still swing for the fences on them. They get burned on The Sultan of Slot and they declare WR the riskiest pick in the first round for eternity.

I also agree with your other statement. I don't trust them to pick a good one and even a good one wouldn't help them much this year anyway, so I'm just holding out hope for the miracle trade.

"Not sure if it matters, but Lewis was undrafted, wasn't he? They picked him up off the scrap heap after the draft."

--That's fine--how is a "garbage heap" guy still on your roster when your first-round pick is out of football? There is no risk to pick a guy up as a free agent--you venture nothing--essentially, there is only upside in that situation.

Eagles WR drafted during the Reid era:

Pinkston (he was OK, could do one thing well, not a bust)

Freddie---Bust
Billy Ball---Bust
Freddie Millons-Bust (a low-round bust, but a bust nonetheless)
Reggie--decent # 2 starter

I'm sure that they drafted one or two more that I haven't thought of, but my point is that they stink at evaluating wr talent, and I think that they know it.

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