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Plus I am under the impression that Carolina got a lot improvement with their picks. So they can show up the Eagles and prove that the strategy of taking first round picks works.

DGB- I know im biased, but Scotty and I talked about "the Pitt Guy" before yesterday durin the draft.

A guy like that with that kinda versatility has value.

He's got good size and a mean streak.
Granted, he has a Frank Haley type gut (Tho he looked better in his combine footage than I recalled watching PITT games this yr).

Eagle karma out of the equation, the Panthers do have the possibility of having a terrible year. I think Delhomme won't be 100% all year and even healthy he wasn't a gamebreaker.

Watched the draft with a bunch of fans from different teams. Chiefs clearly won the first day. Eagles? They are just perplexing. The free agent runs leads you to believe there's a seriousness about winning this year. The drafting for the last few years seems to say, "In three years, we'll unleash our hidden talent." Just some genuine head-scratchers.

IKEGWUONU’S BROTHER KILLS PLEA DEAL
Posted by Mike Florio on April 27, 2008, 4:29 p.m.
So much for Wisconsin cornerback (now Eagles cornerback) Jack Ikegwuonu putting those criminal charges behind him.

According to WKOW-TV in Madison, Wisconsin, a plea deal aimed at getting the matter resolved before Ikegwuonu was drafted by an NFL team didn’t go through, because Ikegwuonu’s brother refused to agree to it.

Ikegwuonu and his brother, Willie, were busted in November 2006 for allegedly stealing an Xbox — the old-school kind, not a 360.

Even if his brother changes his mind at some point in the future, it was critical for Ikegwuonu to get the deal done before he officially joined the NFL. As to any guilty pleas entered or convictions imposed moving forward, Ikegwuonu will most likely face potential penalties under the league’s Personal Conduct Policy.

This could force Ikegwuonu to take his chances by going to trial. The only problem is that he faces one felony count, and a conviction might disrupt not only his football career but also his freedom.

Ikegwuonu was selected by the Eagles in the fourth round of the 2008 draft

Apparently, Andy Reid hasn't heard of the concept of moats

A couple of pass rushers that are questionable and a few questionable OLinemen. Not sure about the latter part of the draft, I was looking for something more really, but I guess that's that.

Carolina's big move in bringing more help to the OLine will not make them a hugely better team. Muhsin Muhammad is the only real big addition to pay attention there, but if the begining of the end is there for QB, they're going to be hurting later. Their D will be weaker than it has been in some time, and I think that will offset any benefit the Offense gets by those additions.

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this kid is going to be very, very good. Im not sure why people seem to so down on him.

btw, can everyone please watch the first 45 seconds of Gcobbs draft special. Unreal. Try not to laugh as steve "the elf" matorano looks pained to be seated next to that buffoon. At one point, G has his mouf completely full of food to the point that he sounds like the cookie monster.

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What I find impossible to fathom is the continuous selection of the retarded prototype of player that the Birds ALWAYS get.

Small or skinny WR or both.

Undersized DE's who are only "situational pass rushers".

Guards that they believe can be converted to tackles.

Short DE's who could never bat down passes.

Having to select safeties from the scrap heap of the last half of the draft.

Small, scat back RBs but never a bruiser.

I mean after 9 fucking years...what the fuck gives?

Say what you want about the Skins. They are stupid in many regards, tis true, but they aggressively addressed their needs (to the deteriment of other needs). Couldn't land Ocho, get two very tall, talented WRs instead in the early part of the draft.

can someone explain the reasoning behind drafting a guy who projects as an UFA in the 3rd round?

no

As I stated earlier, I think it fits with what they do. They think that they can identify players using a different set of metrics than the rest of the league, be it through simple statistics or thorough scouting of smaller schools. Regardless of whether or not they are correct, if they see their guy, they're going to nab him.
Their behavior, albeit stubborn, becomes laudable when you think about players like Westbrook, Herremans, and Gocong. On the other hand, it becomes laughable when you think about players like Matt McCoy or Sean Considine.
I'm not defending the selection, just trying to explain it as I see it.

Seeing the press coverage on the Giants taking Caleb Campbell from Army: If character is so important to the Eagles, why aren't more of their picks from the forces?
Maybe Lurie is one of those leftist Hollywood types who thinks that the forces are full of sociopaths looking for a license to kill.

He won't play a down in 2008
If he's on the PUP in 2008, do they have to use a roster spot or a practice squad spot on him? If not, this is a way to avoid the fallout that is going to come in August when half this draft class is cut.

Their behavior, albeit stubborn, becomes laudable when you think about players like Westbrook, Herremans, and Gocong. On the other hand, it becomes laughable when you think about players like Matt McCoy or Sean Considine.
The only problem with that quote AZ is that Considine went to Iowa which technically speaking is not a "small" school.

Dallas Cowboys
Picks: RB Felix Jones, DB Mike Jenkins, TE Martellus Bennett, RB Tashard Choice, DB Orlando Scandrick, DL Erik Walden
Positives: Jones, Jenkins, Choice
Negative: No young wide receiver to develop.

Bottom line: B+. Only six picks, but Jones and Jenkins are solid picks.

However, taking Jones over Rashard Mendenhall because he was used to playing a backup role makes no sense. That doesn’t make Felix a bad pick, it just links him forever to Mendenhall. Jenkins can return kicks and gives great insurance at cornerback for Pacman Jones. The addition of Pacman also counts, and Dallas doesn’t have a lot invested for the talent level. Bennett is intriguing and Choice could be a steal in the fourth round.



New York Giants
Picks: DB Kenny Phillips, DB Terrell Thomas, WR Mario Manningham, LB Bryan Kehl, LB Jonathan Goff, QB André Woodson, DE Robert Henderson
Positives: Phillips, Manningham, Woodson
Negative: No picks for tackle depth.

Bottom line: B. A solid class from top to bottom.

Phillips, Kehl and Woodson have a boatload of upside. Manningham could be a tremendous value pick in the third round. Whatever you want to say about his lack of speed or smarts (reportedly scored very low on the Wonderlic test administered at the NFL scouting combine), he consistently produced on the biggest of stages at the college level. But keeping him from becoming a character issue might be tough in New York. Woodson’s mechanics and decision-making translate into a major project over the next several years, but he’s got a lot of tools to keep the Giants invested.



Philadelphia Eagles
Picks: DL Trevor Laws, WR DeSean Jackson, DL Bryan Smith, OL Mike McGlynn, DB Quintin Demps, DB Jack Ikegwuonu, OL Mike Gibson, LB Joe Mays, DL Andrew Studebaker, OL King Dunlap
Positives: Jackson, Ikegwuonu
Negative: No tackle until the seventh round.

Bottom line: C+. The 10 picks touched on all the major needs, but the class doesn’t have the “wow” factor.

It’s a little reminiscent of the 2004 draft that went 10 deep but didn’t produce much. However, Philadelphia’s fleecing of Carolina for the 19th pick will produce future dividends. Jackson is explosive and a potential steal in the second round. Ikegwuonu has a lot of talent and could move over to safety when he recovers from his knee injury. McGlynn could move to tackle and Dunlap could make the team because of his size.



Washington Redskins
Picks: WR Devin Thomas, TE Fred Davis, WR Malcolm Kelly, OL Chad Rinehart, DB Justin Tryon, P Durant Brooks, DB Kareem Moore, QB Colt Brennan, DL Rob Jackson, DB Chris Horton
Positives: Thomas, Davis, Kelly, Brooks
Negative: Defensive end not addressed until the seventh round.

Bottom line: A. Ten overall picks with lots of potential from top to bottom.

The two wideouts slipped a little and could all end up providing great value. Thomas and Kelly could develop into quality big targets, and an AFC scout told Yahoo! Sports in February that Davis was the best overall talent at tight end in this draft. The punter need was addressed with the best one the college game had to offer in Brooks. Brennan is an intriguing pick late in the sixth round. A lot of potential starters in this draft.
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"Seeing the press coverage on the Giants taking Caleb Campbell from Army: If character is so important to the Eagles, why aren't more of their picks from the forces?"




Watch that coverage even more carefully next time and you'll realize that the LIONS took him and not the Giants.

I have to look at some of these guys and figure out what kind of players they are. The second day is a place where you can grab "names" that fell or draft "gems" you think you saw something in, so we'll have the see if the Eagles made the right choices (like drafting Mays over Henderson or leaving Bowman on the board) over the next few months and years.

A general positive for me is the fact that they added a number of solid prospects who should be able to help quickly, provided they have the talent to play. Laws will play a lot this year. Jackson will play a lot this year. I think Demps will play some this year. Booker will play this year. Who knows who else...

The other good thing is they came out of the draft with 10 draft picks, a pretty good running back prospect in Booker who fits their style of offense, and an extra 1st round (and fifth round) pick for next year.

There are negatives, but I think those things were positives.

Fox Sports rates the Eagles draft dead last in the NFC. I'm sure there will be quite a few of these.
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R-Diddy saying they should name LFF "Tomorrowland" is good stuff.

Even if they were able to fill a couple of holes, this draft screams 'cheap' by the Birds. It's just the absurdity of trading out of the first round, thinking that there's no first-round worthy talent, but filling holes in later rounds for less money. Sure, you don't want them to be like Baltimore and use a 1st round pick on a QB from Delaware (when they've already got the QB from THE OSU (ugh) on their roster), but still.

Quentin Mikell was on 950 on Saturday, and he echoed the sentiment by the coach, saying that they were a couple of bounces away from being 10-6, 11-5, and by then, anything can happen. Nice to know that the team is striving for being OK instead of putting stuff together for a 14-2 run.

Their draft was OK, and having 2 1st rounders is nice, but it doesn't help McNabb's dwindling chances of winning a title this or even next year.

Looking back and sleeping off the beer, I'm still okay with what the Birds did on day one. Who did people want them to take at 19? An o-lineman would have been the smart/safe pick but would that really help them this year? There was no WR that was a lock at that spot and frankly I have no faith in this staff developing a WR anyway - would've proven to be a wasted pick. A RB would've been nice, but I'll give them a pass there for acquiring Booker. I would've liked to see them take Philips but even he would've been a bit of a reach there. Hated seeing him go to the Giants.

Jackson won't do dick for this offense because of his size, but I like his presence on Special Teams. Laws seems like a solid pick and I don't mind them adding depth in the early rounds to the d-line especially after seeing what the Giants accomplished with a solid front seven this past season.

I'm a lot more disappointed with day 2.

Bryan Smith? Don't they already have enough tweeners on the roster? Gocong, Clemons, Parker, etc... If this guy develops into a solid LB... fine.

I like OT McGlynn, good size, versatile and apparently has a Runyan like attitude. Hopefully their luck finding lineman in the 4th/5th rounds continues.

Ikegwuonu... unbelievable. You mean to tell me there was nobody better, nobody that fit an area of need with the potential of playing this year, that they had to take this guy? Am I unrealistic in thinking this guy with a torn up knee and legal woes could have fallen to the 5th or even 6th round?

6th and 7th round brings more projects, special teams possibilities but more likely camp bodies that will be cut by the end of August.

How many of last year's draft picks ended up making the squad?

Why stock up on picks if half of those guys never even make the team?

I know that sometimes teams can find "value" in the mid-rounds, but what is frustrating, is that this team seems to think it is smarter than everyone else in the league when it comes to talent-evaluation.

So fine, they swapped this years first rounder for Carolinas first rounder in 2009 and they picked up a few other picks to boot--how many of the "value" guys that they picked up will even make the team?

Mendenhall would have been a great pick at 19--I'd be fine with Otah if they took him-or if they traded down and grabbed Kenny Phillips--Devin Thomas was there too. Does this team really believe that they are so good that they don't need 1st round talent for 2 years in a row?

I am so jaded at this point, that I have to believe they'll find a way to package the new #1's next year into a dozen or so mid-round picks. The funny thing is, we all know that Banner loves his precious draft picks, but in the first round, they seem more than happy to trade down--reeks of cheapness to me.

Jackson won't do dick for this offense because of his size, but I like his presence on Special Teams. Laws seems like a solid pick and I don't mind them adding depth in the early rounds to the d-line especially after seeing what the Giants accomplished with a solid front seven this past season.

This is what the Eagles are banking on. Problem is...who were the Giants DTs last year? They id it with Strahan, Kiwi (before he was hurt), Osi, and Tuck...basically 4 defensive ends.

Fred Robbins is okay. He's a journeyman who can rush the passer. The other DTs are essentially "just guys". The Eagles have not spent their top overall selection on a DT in 3 of the last 4 years and 2 of them project as the same guy (short, hard nosed, solid football players with little or no pro bowl-type ability).

So fine, they swapped this years first rounder for Carolinas first rounder in 2009 and they picked up a few other picks to boot--how many of the "value" guys that they picked up will even make the team?

I know it's not what you really want to hear, but the Eagles did swindle the Panthers with that trade. They may have the firepower to trade up for Michael Oher next year.

Again, I know you want impact players this year, but this may answer a need next year with an elite player from the draft.

I wasn't comparing the Giants DEs to the Eagles DEs and the two teams' DTs...

The last time the Eagles had a talent comparable to Strahan he also wore #92.

I think in the Eagles case they believe a solid DT rotation will assist their DEs (i.e. fastballs). Who knows for sure, but Big Red himself. They also believe this Laws guy will be playing in the offenses' backfield.

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