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Matt Hasselbeck as the 6th best QB? Who wrote this, Lucha Latte?

Surprised at the lack of love given to Sheli. McNabb, given his injuries, is about where I'd expect. Romo, IMO, is a little high because he's still yet to win anything.

Beside, Rodgers is the 21st best QB in the league!

That's great. I'm no Vince Young or Jason Campbell fan, but how do you rank both below a guy who hasn't played yet? It's funny how quickly "potential" evaporates once that potential is put into the game, I guess.

How did Rivers get above McNabb? Even with injuries.

i wonder how long it will be before the titans give up on that overhyped incompletion machine called vince young. they have to already know in the back of their minds this kid ain't it even as they pretend he's the future of the franchise.

i wonder how long it will be before the titans give up on that overhyped incompletion machine called vince young. they have to already know in the back of their minds this kid ain't it even as they pretend he's the future of the franchise.

He's an odd case. I was never a big fan of his as a pro prospect, but he was good his rookie year and just didn't play well at all last season. Was the rookie year a fluke or was his progression slowed by injuries last season?

I say they give him 2 more years no matter what.

Goin to second that.
He's got two years, he'll bounce, and another team will try to recycle him and then its off to jail for fightin dogs.

Didn't know this about Favre, but apparently he had decided to unretire before, in March. The team called a press conference and was ready to announce Favre as coming back for one more year, but he backed out before the PC, saying he changed his mind.

Whatever. After that, the team was right in not playing Favre's game anymore, going with the future.

Some doesn't feel right at all with what Favre is saying. Nobody forces him to retire, no one...not even the Packers. I don't like that he's now thrown them under the bus to get out of town and save face with the Pack faithful.

Favre has been about him in the way he manipulates the media, the team, etc. But even he should know that you can't screw around, make everyone think you're leaving, make everyone think you're coming back only to say you're not coming back, etc. It's dumb.

The Packers have already said they're turning over a new leaf, and if he hadn't screwed them earlier by changing his mind, Rodgers is probably still the backup.

I get a completely different feeling about the situation. I don't think Favre is some kind of master manipulator trying to grab himself some media attention. I think he's a guy who is goign to have a really, really tough time hanging them up. He's been on the retirement fence for a couple of seasons and he took one more step forward this year, only to again slide back a couple of times.

What's the guy supposed to do at this point? Yeah, he's screwing the Packers in some ways, but really he's just screwing Aaron Rodgers. I understand that the Pack just want a decisive answer one way or the other and are probably pissed, but "welcoming him back as a backup" is bordeline retarded and absolutely disrespectful.

These are the problems a team faces when they have a legend on their hands. It is very, very, very, very rarely pretty at the end. Most times, the player is basically finished but won't believe it, the team wants to move on, and the fans are split.

In this case, it's worse because Favre can still play. I think the main thing here is they've taken two QBs HIGH in the draft over the past 3 years because of his inability to make a decision and they now feel like they are willing to take a couple steps back to get on with the next step in the franchise's history. Further complicating that is he will most likely win wherever he ends up if they trade of release him. If he wins 13 games in Minnesota, for instance, the Packers won't hear the end of it from their fans or the media.

It's a no-win situation, but I think they should take Favre back, give him the starting job, and worry about Aaron Rodgers...never. He's a complete question mark with no track record and I'm not going to worry about whether or not he's "okay" with the situation. it sucks and I feel bad for him as a guy, but who the fuck is he?

Is he Jake Delhomme? Alex Smith? David Carr? Matt Hasselbeck? Marc Bulger? No one has any clue what this guy is, good or bad, but I think the odds are pretty good he's not better than Favre.

I'd agree with the stickiness of the situation as you've portrayed it, FD. The speculation was that Favre was upset that GB didn't go after Randy Moss in the off-season and he quit. The GM and HC were scheduled to fly to Miss to ask Favre to play one more season. He remained adamant about retiring (some say because Moss wasn't pursued).

The problem is that the organization operated and went forward on the assumption that he was gone.

As for the refusing to release him. I agree with it completely. If he insists on coming back, you have the upper hand in choosing his destiny. You can't get ANYTHING for him if you release him (don't know about compensatory picks in his case). You COULD trade him for future draft considerations and to the team you want if you DON'T release him. If you get no offer worth having, it would be difficult to have him around as a backup. Huge distraction to the team, dividing players, and the constant media circus.

As a side note, Da Hoff tried to write that we may see a similar situation in Philly with 5.

The GM and HC were scheduled to fly to Miss to ask Favre to play one more season. He remained adamant about retiring (some say because Moss wasn't pursued).

Where'd you hear that? That's different from ESPN's account:

Thompson confirmed he and McCarthy were prepared to meet with Favre, who said he was interested in rescinding his retirement, in late March. Favre cancelled the meeting, telling Thompson and McCarthy that he had changed his mind and wanted to stay retired. Thompson said he and McCarthy were ready to accept Favre's return to the NFL at that time.

"Yes, we were going to leave the owners' meeting [in West Palm Bech, Fla.] a day early and fly to Hattiesburg with the idea of sitting down and talking to him about coming back to the team," Thompson said.

Wouldn't be the first time ESPN's wrong, if that were the case. If their account is correct, I can see it getting uglier, considering how well liked Favre is in the media.

He's a complete question mark with no track record and I'm not going to worry about whether or not he's "okay" with the situation.

Does anyone really care what Rodgers thinks? Did anyone ask him if he'd rather play than Favre retire? I doubt this situation has much to do with him personally as it does with a)GB wanting to move on (amist rumors of them trying to force Favre to retire for years), b)justification of drafting a QB high that will probably never play as long as Favre is here, and c)feeling annoyed about Favre's mind-changing.

Could be wrong (and I'm definitely reading it differently than you FD).

If there's a position where the Pack are looking pretty good it's WR. Fuck Favre and his pouting about Moss, if that's true.

We now know why Favre retired - he wants to be GM!
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They were talking about it on NFL-live on ESPN. I'm not sure if that was a G-Cobbism by the pundits or accurate.

Maybe Favre will change his mind about something else too, and say that he took a dive and that Strahan DIDN'T sack him.

Otherwise just retire already.

Favre tinkers with going to camp to call the Packers' bluff.
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Favre is really getting ridiculous with this.

I understand about him still having something left, but he's complained about the GM, who helped to take a bad Pack team and have them host the NFC title game at home, and complained about not having a coach he wanted, even though McCarthy seems to be doing just fine.

This is no longer about winning. If that were the case, Favre would admit that the moves Thompson made actually worked out in the Pack's favor. Won't even accept a role as a backup (which I will admit is more of a sign of not wanting to hang it up, like FD pointed out). But his attempts to diss his GM scream shallow and self-interested.

Rodgers is almost an afterthought here.

PFT is the #1 anti-Favre spot in the world and they are twisting things pretty good here.

Favre said he was pissed about a few moves Thompson refused to make, but they didn't force him to retire. What's the problem there?

He said that he's been told one thing by Thompson and other people have told him a different story, so he doesn't trust the guy. What's the problem there?

The only problem, to me, is he's opening his mouth about it publicly, but I think he's doing it to "clear his name". I just wish he wouldn't talk about it.

Point is, he wanted Mooch and they went a different direction. Fine and Thompson's hire worked out well.

He wanted to re-sign a couple linemen and Thompson didn't. Favre got murdered for two years in the pocket and the Packers couldn't run the ball for shit. Favre was probably right.

He wanted Moss desperatly when the Raiders were trading him. Clearly, Favre was right about that.

He's a frustrated guy because he wants to win and he sees what he thinks are missed opportunities in the twilight of his career. I can understand his frustration, but just don't agree with him complaining about it.

Let's be honest about Thompson, too (who's done a good job). He obviously doesn't like the guy and he is the one who started this war of words. Did he honestly expect to "welcome Favre back as a reserve player behind Aaron Rodgers", or was he trying to publicly be a dickhead to Favre?

Honestly.

And if it's only about winning, what gives you a better chance to win: Favre with Aaron Rodgers as a backup OR Rodgers with Brian Brohm as a backup?

If the Packers don't have the stomach for dealing with an aging legend, maybe they should give back their Lombardi and the $40 bazillion their legend made them over the last couple decades.

I do want to be clear that I'm not letting Favre completely off the hook here.

I think his indecision puts the franchise in a bind because they have to plan (in the draft, especially) for life after he retires. By being so indecisive, it's putting them in bad spots where they are wasting picks and can't move on. If he would have commited to them for at least 3 seasons 3 years ago (for instance), they could have used that Rodgers pick on a guy like Heath Miller, for instance.

I just think it's pointless to demonize Favre here because these are the breaks. Favre is a legend in the NFL and is at the point in his career where he can still play at a very high level, has a desire to play, but his body can barely take the punishment. It's hard for the player and the organization when it comes to the end, whcih is why Emmitt ends up in Arizona, Jordan ends up in Washington, the Lions end up without a running back for a decade, Unitis is a Charger, OJ is a 49er, etc., etc., etc.

f-d, just take a look at vince young's stats his rookie year. i have to strongly disagree with your assertion that he was in any way "good" that year. in fact, when i referred to him as an overhyped incompletion machine, it was primarly due to his rookie season:

51% completion pass, 6.2 y/a, 12/13 t/i ratio and a 66.7 qb rating. and the media just fawned all over him because he won some games. he is awful.

I think Vince Young is a guy who is difficult to measure on stats alone his rookie year.

He didn't have much of anything around him and finished the season 7-3, with 6 of those 10 opponents playoff bound.

I thought he played well in the clutch, seemed to have good poise/leadership, and chipped in another 50 yards/7 TDs rushign the ball.

I agree his numbers were/are ugly, but he was winning games almost by himself with key, huge plays, which was one of the reasons he was a runaway rookie of the year. I think he was only the second QB to ever win that award, and he was doing it on a 4 win team.

Not some huge Vince Young fan, but I thought he would be a complete suckfest in the Pros and was really surprised in watching him play. His numbers weren't always pretty, but he was finding ways to do in the 4th quarter and crunch time.

Should be 550 yards rushing.

fanboy.

Yeah, I'm used to it.

VY in '08.

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